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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org>
Cc: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>,
	Paul Davis <paul@linuxaudiosystems.com>,
	"Jack O'Quin" <joq@io.com>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>,
	arjanv@redhat.com, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [request for inclusion] Realtime LSM
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:58:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050111205809.GB21308@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050111125008.K10567@build.pdx.osdl.net>


* Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org> wrote:

> > We have not established that at all. In principle, because SCHED_OTHER
> > tasks running at full priority lie on the boundary between SCHED_OTHER
> > and SCHED_FIFO, they can be made to run arbitrarily close to the
> > performance of tasks in SCHED_FIFO. With the upside that they won't be
> > able to deadlock the machine.
> 
> I don't think they lie quite so neatly on this boundary.  There's one
> fundamental difference which is how the dynamic priority is adjusted
> which alters the basic preemptibility rules.

but at nice level -20 this adjustment is at most +5 priority levels -
i.e. down to an equivalent of nice -15. Consider that a nice 0 task can
at most get a -5 priority boost gives a nice -5 task worst-case - so the
nice -20 task still preempts the lower prio task.

so this could work in theory. But practice shows it doesnt work at the
moment, and nobody has analyzed why, yet.

(There are some other differences in scheduling like starvation
prevention adding potential delays, but those should in theory not
affect the basic tests that were done so far. There are also some
differences in timeslice management, but with the huge timeslices that
nice -20 tasks get this shouldnt be causing problems either. So my
current thinking is that there's an unknown scheduling effect causing
latency regression of nice -20 tasks, compared to the latencies of
RT-prio-1 tasks.)

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-11 20:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 266+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-12-30  2:43 [PATCH] [request for inclusion] Realtime LSM Lee Revell
2005-01-03 14:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-03 14:15   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-07 16:40     ` Lee Revell
2005-01-04 18:16   ` Lee Revell
2005-01-04 18:20     ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-04 18:55       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-04 18:59         ` Lee Revell
2005-01-05  0:01           ` Alan Cox
2005-01-05  1:28             ` Lee Revell
2005-01-05  1:30             ` Lee Revell
2005-01-05  1:50             ` Chris Wright
2005-01-05  1:55               ` Lee Revell
2005-01-05  2:05                 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-05  2:58                   ` Kyle Moffett
2005-01-05  3:45                     ` Chris Wright
2005-01-05  4:06                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-05 11:52                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-05 15:19                   ` Lee Revell
2005-01-05 15:21                   ` Lee Revell
2005-01-07 12:56                     ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 13:04                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-07 14:16                         ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 14:26                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-07 14:38                             ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 14:42                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-07 15:27                                 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 15:33                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-07 15:41                                     ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 16:03                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-07 16:20                                         ` Takashi Iwai
2005-01-08  5:36                                           ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-08  6:21                                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-07 16:20                                         ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 21:12                                           ` Lee Revell
2005-01-07 21:49                                             ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-07 22:07                                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-07 22:36                                                 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-07 23:01                                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-07 23:20                                                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-07 23:34                                                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-10 21:05                                                       ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-07 22:10                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-07 22:26                                                 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 22:29                                                 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-08  6:12                                                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-08 16:56                                                     ` ross
2005-01-08 18:25                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-08 22:20                                                       ` Lee Revell
2005-01-08 22:27                                                         ` Andreas Steinmetz
2005-01-08 22:14                                                     ` Lee Revell
2005-01-10 21:20                                                     ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 13:05                                                       ` Paul Davis
2005-01-11 16:28                                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-11 18:59                                                           ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 20:47                                                           ` utz lehmann
2005-01-11 21:07                                                           ` Lee Revell
2005-01-11 19:17                                                         ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 19:42                                                           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-11 20:50                                                           ` Chris Wright
2005-01-11 20:58                                                             ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2005-01-11 21:14                                                               ` Chris Wright
2005-01-11 21:27                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-11 22:13                                                                   ` Chris Wright
2005-01-11 22:26                                                                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-12  3:21                                                                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-12  4:29                                                                     ` Chris Wright
2005-01-13  5:44                                                                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-13  6:34                                                                     ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-13 19:17                                                                       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-14 20:52                                                                         ` Lee Revell
2005-01-15  0:42                                                                           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-15  2:19                                                                             ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-01-15  4:06                                                                               ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-15 13:49                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-15 23:02                                                                       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-15 23:38                                                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-16 23:13                                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-16 23:57                                                                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-17  9:17                                                                               ` Sytse Wielinga
2005-01-17 14:36                                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-17 10:06                                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-18  5:02                                                                                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-18  8:02                                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-18 17:05                                                                                     ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-19  8:24                                                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-19 14:39                                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-19 17:45                                                                                           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-19 18:32                                                                                             ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-20  8:07                                                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-20  8:05                                                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-11 14:30                                                       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-11 19:50                                                         ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 19:57                                                           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-11 20:05                                                             ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 20:29                                                               ` Lee Revell
2005-01-11 20:47                                                                 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-11 21:10                                                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-01-11 21:20                                                                     ` Chris Wright
2005-01-11 21:28                                                                   ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 21:38                                                                     ` Lee Revell
2005-01-11 21:41                                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-11 22:51                                                                         ` Paul Davis
2005-01-11 23:05                                                                           ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12  1:43                                                                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-12  7:49                                                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-12 21:12                                                                                 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-13  0:44                                                                                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-13  7:28                                                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-13 21:04                                                                                     ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-13 21:07                                                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-13 21:25                                                                                         ` Lee Revell
2005-01-13 21:43                                                                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-13 23:31                                                                                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-14  0:33                                                                                               ` Chris Wright
2005-01-14  0:50                                                                                               ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-14  1:20                                                                                                 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-14  1:27                                                                                                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-14 17:20                                                                                               ` Mike Galbraith
2005-01-15  1:14                                                                                                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-15  8:06                                                                                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2005-01-15 23:48                                                                                                     ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-14  2:05                                                                                           ` utz lehmann
2005-01-14  2:08                                                                                             ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-14  2:23                                                                                               ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-14  2:35                                                                                               ` utz lehmann
2005-01-14  2:42                                                                                                 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-14  3:20                                                                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-14  3:28                                                                                                     ` utz lehmann
2005-01-14  3:26                                                                                                   ` utz lehmann
2005-01-14  2:24                                                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-14  2:40                                                                                               ` Paul Davis
2005-01-14  2:57                                                                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-14  3:12                                                                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-14  3:18                                                                                                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-14  3:30                                                                                                     ` Paul Davis
2005-01-14  3:38                                                                                                       ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-14  3:51                                                                                                         ` Paul Davis
2005-01-14  4:00                                                                                                           ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-14  4:16                                                                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-14  4:04                                                                                                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-14  3:31                                                                                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-14  3:34                                                                                                       ` Paul Davis
2005-01-14  4:11                                                                                                       ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-14  4:23                                                                                                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-14  4:45                                                                                                           ` Paul Davis
2005-01-14  5:14                                                                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-14  9:21                                                                                                       ` Will Dyson
2005-01-14  9:54                                                                                                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-14  6:57                                                                                                   ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-14  7:04                                                                                                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-14  7:55                                                                                                       ` Chris Wright
2005-01-14 20:10                                                                                                     ` Chris Wright
2005-01-14 20:55                                                                                                       ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-14 23:04                                                                                                         ` Chris Wright
2005-01-15  0:58                                                                                                           ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 22:05                                                                       ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 21:42                                                                     ` Chris Wright
2005-01-11 22:16                                                                       ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 22:21                                                                         ` Chris Wright
2005-01-11 22:36                                                                           ` utz lehmann
2005-01-11 22:41                                                                             ` Chris Wright
2005-01-11 22:17                                                                     ` utz
2005-01-11 22:48                                                                     ` Paul Davis
2005-01-11 23:06                                                                       ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-12  2:13                                                                         ` Paul Davis
2005-01-12 19:09                                                                           ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-12 21:25                                                                             ` Lee Revell
2005-01-11 20:19                                                             ` Chris Friesen
2005-01-11 22:45                                                           ` Paul Davis
2005-01-11 21:21                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-12  2:10                                                       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-15  4:56                                                       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-15 14:43                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-15 23:10                                                           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-16  1:48                                                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-16  4:30                                                               ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-16 23:22                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-07 23:00                                                 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-07 22:22                                               ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 22:44                                               ` Andreas Steinmetz
2005-01-07 16:03                                       ` Martin Mares
2005-01-07 16:22                                         ` Paul Davis
2005-01-08 13:04                                           ` Paul Jakma
2005-01-07 14:47                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-07 15:26                                 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 16:08                                   ` Martin Mares
2005-01-07 16:14                                     ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 16:29                                       ` Martin Mares
2005-01-07 16:36                                         ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 17:06                                           ` Martin Mares
2005-01-07 17:29                                             ` Chris Wright
2005-01-07 17:32                                               ` Martin Mares
2005-01-07 17:38                                                 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-07 19:55                                                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-07 16:37                                         ` Takashi Iwai
2005-01-07 16:41                                           ` Martin Mares
2005-01-07 17:53                                   ` Chris Wright
2005-01-07 18:01                             ` Chris Wright
2005-01-05 18:18                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-05  4:04             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-05 11:25           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-05 17:32             ` Lee Revell
2005-01-05 19:11               ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-05 11:20         ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-04 18:57       ` Lee Revell
2005-01-05  1:35         ` Andreas Steinmetz
2005-01-05  4:18           ` Alan Cox
2005-01-05  5:50             ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-05 12:06               ` Herbert Poetzl
2005-01-07  1:13                 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-07  1:55                   ` Alan Cox
2005-01-07 20:05                     ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-05 20:09               ` Olaf Dietsche
2005-01-07  1:18             ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-07  2:36               ` Lee Revell
2005-01-07  5:54               ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-07 20:02                 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-07 20:21                   ` Chris Wright
2005-01-07 20:27                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-07 20:46                     ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-07 20:55                       ` Lee Revell
2005-01-07 21:20                         ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-07 21:29                           ` Chris Wright
2005-01-07 20:45                   ` Lee Revell
2005-01-05 11:39           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-05 17:35             ` Lee Revell
2005-01-05 19:11               ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-05 11:24         ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found] <20050112185258.GG2940@waste.org>
2005-01-12 21:16 ` Paul Davis
2005-03-08  3:50   ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-08  3:55     ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-03-08  4:16       ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-08  4:22         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-08  4:28           ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-08  4:32             ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-03-08  4:47               ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-08  4:58                 ` Chris Wright
2005-03-08 18:55               ` Lee Revell
2005-03-08 19:11                 ` Paul Davis
2005-03-08 20:29                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-08 21:20                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-03-08 21:34                   ` Lee Revell
2005-03-08 23:55                     ` James Morris
2005-03-08  5:19           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-03-08  4:33     ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-08  4:40       ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-08  5:30         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-03-08  6:33           ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-09  3:39             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-03-09  3:44               ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-09  4:04                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-03-10 14:01           ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-08  5:40         ` Peter Williams
2005-03-08  5:49           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-08  6:28             ` Peter Williams
2005-03-08  6:40               ` Chris Wright
2005-03-08  6:42                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-08  6:00           ` Chris Wright
2005-03-08  6:18           ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-08  5:38       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-08  6:45       ` Chris Wright
2005-03-08  6:49         ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-08  6:55       ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-08  8:45         ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-08 19:17       ` utz lehmann

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