From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl@lkcl.net>
To: Stephen Smalley <sds@epoch.ncsc.mil>
Cc: Ivan Gyurdiev <ivg2@cornell.edu>, SELinux@tycho.nsa.gov
Subject: Re: Multiple contexts
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:48:18 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050111214818.GE26175@lkcl.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1105474191.20566.134.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil>
On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 03:09:51PM -0500, Stephen Smalley wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 18:23, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> > i can only hazard a hazardous guess therefore that the more
> > "normal" ACL system [that we are used to seeing] was rejected
> > because it makes the formal proof methodology more difficult.
>
> With ACLs, you have to traverse the entire filesystem state in order to:
> 1) determine what your policy truly is (and that policy can change
> underneath you during your traversal),
> 2) apply any widespread changes in policy state.
> Management and scalability nightmare.
oh - ah. yes, now it comes back to me.
microsoft solved this problem partially in NT 3.5 - NT 4.0 by
only reading the ACL on the file [or directory] and applying that.
by the time that NT 5 [aka windeuuws teuu thousand, with NT being a
trademark owned by Northern Telecom, aka Nortel and all] came around,
this was considered utterly mad.
recursion was added to ACLs - or "inheritance" - because to fix access
to subdirectories and all contents you are required in NT 4.0 to change
ALL permissions on ALL subdirectories and contents!
basically you now have to traverse the directory tree right
up to the mount point [as stephen says] in order to determine access
rights, combining and checking permissions as you go.
eeuuuw.
... was that what you were referring to stephen?
l.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-01-11 21:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-01-10 20:50 Multiple contexts Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-01-10 23:23 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-01-11 1:51 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-01-11 20:09 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-01-11 21:48 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton [this message]
2005-01-12 14:00 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-01-12 14:44 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-01-12 15:00 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-01-12 18:18 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-01-12 18:03 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-01-12 18:29 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-01-12 21:27 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-01-12 22:41 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-01-13 15:55 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-01-12 23:01 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-01-13 16:03 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-01-13 16:44 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-01-13 17:17 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-01-13 17:08 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-01-12 19:07 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-01-11 15:18 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-01-11 20:08 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-01-12 20:11 ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-01-12 21:40 ` Stephen Bennett
2005-01-12 21:48 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-01-12 23:07 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-01-13 16:06 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-01-12 21:47 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-01-12 23:08 ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-01-13 16:10 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-01-13 18:37 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-01-13 23:17 ` Thomas Bleher
2005-01-14 7:07 ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-01-20 20:52 ` Ivan Gyurdiev
2005-01-12 23:32 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-01-13 13:56 ` James Carter
2005-01-13 16:46 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-01-13 16:16 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-01-13 16:48 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-01-13 16:37 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-01-13 17:19 ` Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2005-01-13 17:10 ` Stephen Smalley
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