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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
To: "Lorenzo Hernández García-Hierro" <lorenzo@gnu.org>
Cc: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	torvalds@osdl.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] OpenBSD Networking-related randomization port
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:09:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050128190905.GS28047@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1106934475.3778.98.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 06:47:55PM +0100, Lorenzo Hernández García-Hierro wrote:
> El vie, 28-01-2005 a las 18:40 +0100, Adrian Bunk escribió:
> > On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 06:17:17PM +0100, Lorenzo Hernández García-Hierro wrote:
> > >...
> > > As it's impact is minimal (in performance and development/maintenance
> > > terms), I recommend to merge it, as it gives a basic prevention for the
> > > so-called system fingerprinting (which is used most by "kids" to know
> > > how old and insecure could be a target system, many time used as the
> > > first, even only-one, data to decide if attack or not the target host)
> > > among other things.
> > >...
> > 
> > "basic prevention"?
> > I hardly see how this patch makes OS fingerprinting by e.g. Nmap 
> > impossible.
> 
> That's an example, as you can find at the grsecurity handbook [1]:
>...
> "Randomized IP IDs hinders OS fingerprinting and will keep your machine
> from being a bounce for an untraceable portscan."
>...

The OS detection in Nmap [1], which is AFAIK the most popular port 
scanner today works by e.g. checking the answer of an ACK to a closed 
port.

I do still not understand how your patch has any impact on these issues.

> Cheers,
>...

cu
Adrian

[1] http://www.insecure.org/nmap/nmap-fingerprinting-article.html

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       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-01-28 19:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-28 17:17 [PATCH] OpenBSD Networking-related randomization port Lorenzo Hernández García-Hierro
2005-01-28 17:40 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-28 17:47   ` Lorenzo Hernández García-Hierro
2005-01-28 18:18     ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-01-28 18:18       ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-01-28 18:54       ` Lorenzo Hernández García-Hierro
2005-01-28 19:09     ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2005-01-28 18:02 ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-01-28 18:31   ` Lorenzo Hernández García-Hierro
2005-01-28 18:52     ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-01-28 18:58       ` Lorenzo Hernández García-Hierro
2005-01-28 20:34       ` Lorenzo Hernández García-Hierro
2005-01-28 20:45         ` David S. Miller
2005-01-28 21:34           ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-01-28 21:45             ` David S. Miller
2005-01-29  6:59             ` Andi Kleen
2005-01-28 20:47         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-28 22:12           ` Lorenzo Hernández García-Hierro
2005-01-29  8:04             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-29  8:05             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-29  9:15           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-31 16:50             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-31 17:23               ` Lorenzo Hernández García-Hierro
2005-01-31 20:11                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-31 23:27                   ` linux
2005-02-12 22:29                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-02-12 23:25                       ` linux
2005-02-13  0:18                         ` Roland Dreier
2005-02-13  1:41                           ` linux
2005-02-02 17:17                   ` linux
2005-02-02 17:38                     ` Lorenzo Hernández García-Hierro
2005-02-03 19:51                       ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-02-03 20:14                         ` Lennert Buytenhek
2005-01-31 19:42               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-31 20:03                 ` Lorenzo Hernández García-Hierro
2005-02-01 23:22                   ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-28 18:04 ` Jörn Engel
2005-01-28 18:07 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-28 18:36   ` Lorenzo Hernández García-Hierro
2005-02-01 14:54   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-28 19:24 ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-29 18:16 ` Florian Weimer
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-01-28 19:24 Hank Leininger
2005-01-29  7:24 linux

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