From: "Chad N. Tindel" <chad@tindel.net>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Xterm Hangs - Possible scheduler defect?
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 00:23:30 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050224052330.GA99006@calma.pair.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050223183634.31869fa6.akpm@osdl.org>
> `xterm' is waiting for the other CPU to schedule a kernel thread (which is
> bound to that CPU). Once that kernel thread has done a little bit of work,
> `xterm' can terminate.
>
> But kernel threads don't run with realtime policy, so your userspace app
> has permanently starved that kernel thread.
>
> It's potentially quite a problem, really. For example it could prevent
> various tty operations from completing, it will prevent kjournald from ever
> writing back anything (on uniprocessor, etc). I've been waiting for
> someone to complain ;)
>
> But the other side of the coin is that a SCHED_FIFO userspace task
> presumably has extreme latency requirements, so it doesn't *want* to be
> preempted by some routine kernel operation. People would get irritated if
> we were to do that.
>
> So what to do?
It shouldn't need to preempt the kernel operation. Why is the design such that
the necessary kernel thread can't run on the other CPU?
Chad
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-02-24 5:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-02-23 23:06 Xterm Hangs - Possible scheduler defect? Chad N. Tindel
2005-02-24 2:36 ` Andrew Morton
2005-02-24 5:23 ` Chad N. Tindel [this message]
2005-02-24 6:50 ` Andrew Morton
2005-02-24 5:26 ` Chad N. Tindel
2005-02-24 13:25 ` Helge Hafting
2005-02-24 17:33 ` Chad N. Tindel
2005-02-24 22:25 ` Peter Chubb
2005-02-24 22:40 ` Chad N. Tindel
2005-02-24 23:00 ` Andrew Morton
2005-02-24 23:22 ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-24 23:32 ` Andrew Morton
2005-02-25 0:47 ` Kyle Moffett
[not found] <20050224075756.GA18639@calma.pair.com>
[not found] ` <30111.1109237503@www1.gmx.net>
2005-02-24 17:53 ` Chad N. Tindel
2005-02-24 18:19 ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-24 18:38 ` Chad N. Tindel
2005-02-24 19:04 ` Paulo Marques
2005-02-24 19:22 ` Chad N. Tindel
2005-02-24 19:46 ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-24 20:08 ` Chad N. Tindel
2005-02-24 20:29 ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-25 0:51 ` Ingo Oeser
2005-02-25 15:12 ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-25 15:39 ` Ingo Oeser
2005-02-25 15:53 ` Paulo Marques
2005-02-25 16:24 ` Lee Revell
2005-02-25 17:07 ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-24 19:52 ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-02-25 20:25 ` Helge Hafting
2005-02-25 21:02 ` Chad N. Tindel
2005-02-25 23:24 ` Lee Revell
2005-02-26 11:58 ` Helge Hafting
2005-02-25 4:25 ` Mike Galbraith
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