From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from jazzhorn.ncsc.mil (mummy.ncsc.mil [144.51.88.129]) by tycho.ncsc.mil (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j2ULpqDo019392 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:51:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from open.hands.com (jazzhorn.ncsc.mil [144.51.5.9]) by jazzhorn.ncsc.mil (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2ULm0ph013859 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:48:00 GMT Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:00:18 +0100 From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton To: Ivan Gyurdiev Cc: Casey Schaufler , selinux@tycho.nsa.gov Subject: Re: Desktop apps interoperability Message-ID: <20050330220018.GA9752@lkcl.net> References: <20050330170426.86197.qmail@web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20050330172630.GA10139@lkcl.net> <1112204662.8592.42.camel@cobra.ivg2.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <1112204662.8592.42.camel@cobra.ivg2.net> Sender: owner-selinux@tycho.nsa.gov List-Id: selinux@tycho.nsa.gov On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 12:44:22PM -0500, Ivan Gyurdiev wrote: > On Wed, 2005-03-30 at 18:26 +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 09:04:26AM -0800, Casey Schaufler wrote: > > > > > Yes, and I'm sure that you can do a configuration > > > of most application defaults that will be good > > > enough to demo. Application developers tend to > > > have their own ideas regarding data storage and > > > it is a bad idea for a system developer to > > > interfere with said application developer's > > > freedom to inovate. > > > > ... application developer's freedom to impose insecurity, > > through ignorance on the part of the app-developer, upon > > the users? > > > > no offense intended: freedom in an abstract concept [e.g. "the american > > way"] _always_ has limits - laws / rules / policy is defined to confine > > that freedom, for good or worse. > > I don't understand what this has to do with the application developer. i must not understand the point, then. > This is a discussion of desktop applications that manipulate content > relevant to the user - not internal settings. i believe it started out as internal settings [someone suggested a ~/.etc / registry etc solution e.g. gconfd] or maybe that was a different thread. ... anyway. > All those apps *ask* you where to store the content. not necessarily - and, additionally, they typically have default locations where the content is asked to be stored, and the majority of users go "duhhhhhh, *click*". esp. windows users, for whom "duhhhh, *click*" means it ends up in "My Documents", or "The Desktop", etc. etc. and then they bitch like hell because they can't _find_ anything. > Ok, some apps like gift don't ask where to save the content, > but that's the exception and not the rule. some apps don't ask - but the "default" location is just as important, imo, as not being asked at all. l. -- This message was distributed to subscribers of the selinux mailing list. If you no longer wish to subscribe, send mail to majordomo@tycho.nsa.gov with the words "unsubscribe selinux" without quotes as the message.