From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from jazzdrum.ncsc.mil (zombie.ncsc.mil [144.51.88.131]) by tycho.ncsc.mil (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j2V9vEDo023407 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 04:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from open.hands.com (jazzdrum.ncsc.mil [144.51.5.7]) by jazzdrum.ncsc.mil (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2V9tuiv023595 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:55:57 GMT Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:05:33 +0100 From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton To: Tom Cc: Ivan Gyurdiev , Casey Schaufler , selinux@tycho.nsa.gov Subject: Re: Desktop apps interoperability Message-ID: <20050331100533.GD9752@lkcl.net> References: <20050330155207.58846.qmail@web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1112199204.8592.13.camel@cobra.ivg2.net> <20050330235010.B622@lemuria.org> <20050330221246.GC9752@lkcl.net> <20050331103736.K1195@lemuria.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <20050331103736.K1195@lemuria.org> Sender: owner-selinux@tycho.nsa.gov List-Id: selinux@tycho.nsa.gov On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 10:37:36AM +0200, Tom wrote: > On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 11:12:46PM +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > kdbfs "flattens" the directory structures and forces applications, > > via patches to the file save and file open dialogs, to ONLY be able > > to save documents in certain subdirectories, ~/Documents, ~/Music ... > > etc. > > There will be many people who reject that concept yep - i know. i didn't say it was a "nice" solution. for "dummies" - the sorts of people who use MAC OS/X - directories are a massive confusional concept. think of the kinds of people who store 16,000 files in "My Documents" because they've never heard of creating folders. [and we won't talk about the person who spent 10 minutes each day paging down the same word document until they got to the end, okay? :) ] we are _privileged_ people who "understand" computers, graphical OSes, and such. it's vitally important to remember that there are people out there who: a) can't use a mouse b) can't phyisically or PSYCHOLOGICALLY see or locate a cursor (esp. the Mozilla Firefox and MS Word vertical bar ones) c) don't really understand the concept of folders being a thing with a border around it, let alone directories. so, whilst we all "love" to put documents where we "want", creating lovely structured directory hierarchies with symlinks to convenient places, the majority of users simply use what's put in front of them [and typically use or grok very little of even that]. and Apple put the "finder" in front of people, on MAC-OS/X, and they sodding love it, because it finds EVERYTHING that's useful to them. l. -- This message was distributed to subscribers of the selinux mailing list. If you no longer wish to subscribe, send mail to majordomo@tycho.nsa.gov with the words "unsubscribe selinux" without quotes as the message.