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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Paul Jackson <pj@engr.sgi.com>,
	pasky@ucw.cz, rddunlap@osdl.org, ross@jose.lug.udel.edu,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [rfc] git: combo-blobs
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:33:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050411163358.GA9696@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0504110852260.1267@ppc970.osdl.org>


* Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org> wrote:

> >	 Also, with a 'replicate the full object on every 8th commit' 
> > rule the risk would be somewhat mitigated as well.
> 
> ..but not the complexity.
> 
> The fact is, I want to trust this thing. Dammit, one reason I like GIT 
> is that I can mentally visualize the whole damn tree, and each step is 
> so _simple_. That's extra important when the object database itself is 
> so inscrutable - unlike CVS or SCCS or formats like that, it's damn 
> hard to visualize from looking at a directory listing.

ok. Meanwhile i found another counter-argument: the average committed 
file size is 36K, which with gzip -9 would compress down to roughly 8K, 
with the commit message being another block. That's 2+1 blocks used per 
commit, while with deltas one could at most cut this down to 1+1+1 
blocks - just as much space! So we would be almost even with the more 
complex delta approach, just by increasing the default compression ratio 
from 6 to 9. (but even with the default we are not that bad.)

case closed i guess. (The network bandwith issue can/could indeed be 
solved independently, without any impact to the fundamentals, as you 
suggested.)

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-11 16:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 194+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-09 19:45 more git updates Linus Torvalds
2005-04-09 19:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-09 20:07 ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-09 21:00   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-09 21:00     ` tony.luck
2005-04-10 16:01       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-12 17:34         ` Helge Hafting
2005-04-10 18:19       ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-10 23:04         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-04-11  9:27           ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-04-09 21:08     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-09 23:31       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-10  2:41         ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-10 16:27           ` [ANNOUNCE] git-pasky-0.1 Petr Baudis
2005-04-10 16:55             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-10 19:49               ` Sean
2005-04-10 17:33             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-10 17:42               ` Willy Tarreau
2005-04-10 17:45                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-10 18:45                   ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-10 19:13                     ` Willy Tarreau
2005-04-10 21:27                       ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-10 20:38                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-10 21:39                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-10 23:49                         ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-10 22:27                       ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-10 23:10                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-10 23:26                           ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-10 23:46                             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-10 23:56                               ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-11  0:20                                 ` GIT license (Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [ANNOUNCE] git-pasky-0.1) Linus Torvalds
2005-04-11  0:27                                   ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-11  7:45                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-11  8:40                                     ` Florian Weimer
2005-04-11 10:52                                       ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-11 16:05                                         ` Florian Weimer
2005-04-10 23:23                         ` [ANNOUNCE] git-pasky-0.1 Paul Jackson
2005-04-11  0:15                           ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-04-11  0:30                       ` Re: " Petr Baudis
2005-04-11  1:11                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-10 20:41                     ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-11  1:58             ` [ANNOUNCE] git-pasky-0.2 Petr Baudis
2005-04-11  2:46               ` Daniel Barkalow
2005-04-11 10:17                 ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-11  8:50               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-11 10:16                 ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-11 13:57               ` [ANNOUNCE] git-pasky-0.3 Petr Baudis
2005-04-12 12:47                 ` Martin Schlemmer
2005-04-12 13:02                   ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-12 13:13                     ` Martin Schlemmer
2005-04-12 13:23                       ` Petr Baudis
     [not found]                         ` <1113375277.23299.25.camel@nosferatu.lan>
     [not found]                           ` <20050413075441.GD16489@pasky.ji.cz>
     [not found]                             ` <1113381672.23299.47.camel@nosferatu.lan>
     [not found]                               ` <20050413092656.GO16489@pasky.ji.cz>
     [not found]                                 ` <1113394537.23299.51.camel@nosferatu.lan>
2005-04-13 22:19                                   ` Re: Re: Remove need to untrack before tracking new branch Petr Baudis
2005-04-14  6:55                                     ` Martin Schlemmer
2005-04-14  8:28                                       ` Martin Schlemmer
2005-04-14  8:38                                         ` Martin Schlemmer
2005-04-14  9:11                                           ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-14  9:40                                             ` Martin Schlemmer
2005-04-14  9:55                                               ` Martin Schlemmer
2005-04-14 22:35                                                 ` Alex Riesen
2005-04-15  5:45                                                   ` Martin Schlemmer
2005-04-15  6:42                                                     ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-15 23:49                                                     ` Re: Re: " Alex Riesen
2005-04-14 22:42                                               ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-14 23:01                                                 ` Martin Schlemmer
2005-04-14 23:00                                                   ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-14 23:09                                                     ` Martin Schlemmer
2005-04-14 23:25                                                       ` Martin Schlemmer
2005-04-12 13:07                 ` [ANNOUNCE] git-pasky-0.3 David Woodhouse
2005-04-13  8:47                   ` Russell King
2005-04-13  8:59                     ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-13  9:06                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-04-13  9:09                         ` David Woodhouse
2005-04-13  9:25                       ` David Woodhouse
2005-04-13  9:42                         ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-13 10:24                           ` David Woodhouse
2005-04-13 17:01                           ` Daniel Barkalow
2005-04-13 18:07                             ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-13 18:22                               ` git mailing list (Re: Re: Re: Re: [ANNOUNCE] git-pasky-0.3) Linus Torvalds
2005-04-13 18:38                               ` Re: Re: Re: [ANNOUNCE] git-pasky-0.3 Daniel Barkalow
2005-04-13 12:43                         ` Xavier Bestel
2005-04-13 16:48                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-04-13 18:15                             ` Xavier Bestel
2005-04-13 23:05                           ` bd
2005-04-13 14:38                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-13 14:47                           ` David Woodhouse
2005-04-13 14:59                             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-13  9:35                 ` Russell King
2005-04-13  9:38                   ` Russell King
2005-04-13  9:49                     ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-13 11:02                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-13 14:50                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-13  9:46                   ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-13 10:28                     ` Russell King
2005-04-13 19:03                   ` Russell King
2005-04-13 19:13                     ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-13 19:21                       ` Russell King
2005-04-13 19:23                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-04-10  6:53         ` more git updates Christopher Li
2005-04-10 11:48           ` Ralph Corderoy
2005-04-10 19:23           ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-10 18:42             ` Christopher Li
2005-04-10 22:30               ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-11 13:58           ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-04-20 20:29             ` Kai Henningsen
2005-04-24  0:42               ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-24  1:29                 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-04-24  4:13                   ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-24  4:38                     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-04-24  4:53                       ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-25 11:57                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-04-25 16:40                         ` David Wagner
2005-04-25 20:35                         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-04-24 16:52                   ` Horst von Brand
2005-04-24  8:00                 ` Kai Henningsen
     [not found]               ` <6f6293f10504210220744af114@mail.gmail.com>
2005-04-24  8:01                 ` Kai Henningsen
2005-04-11 11:35         ` [rfc] git: combo-blobs Ingo Molnar
2005-04-11 14:45           ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-11 15:12             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-11 15:32               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-11 15:39                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-11 15:57                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-11 16:01                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-11 16:33                     ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2005-04-12  5:42                       ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-04-11 18:13                     ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-11 18:30                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-11 20:18                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-11 18:40                       ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-11 17:50               ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-11 15:28             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-11 15:31               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-12  4:05         ` more git updates David Eger
2005-04-12  8:16           ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-12 20:44             ` David Eger
2005-04-12 21:21               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-12 22:29                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-04-12 22:49                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-13  4:32                     ` Matthias Urlichs
2005-04-12 22:36                 ` David Eger
2005-04-12 23:48                   ` Panagiotis Issaris
2005-04-12 23:40                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-04-12 23:45                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-13  0:14                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-04-13  1:10                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-13 10:59                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-04-13 20:44                         ` Matt Mackall
2005-04-13 23:42                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-04-14  0:13                             ` Matt Mackall
2005-04-13  9:30                     ` Russell King
2005-04-13 10:20                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-04-13 14:43                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-10  2:07     ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-10  2:20       ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-10  2:09     ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-10  7:51     ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-10  5:53       ` Christopher Li
2005-04-10  9:28         ` Junio C Hamano
2005-04-10  7:06           ` Christopher Li
2005-04-10 11:38             ` tony.luck
2005-04-10  9:48           ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-10  9:40         ` Wichert Akkerman
2005-04-10  9:41         ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-10  7:09           ` Christopher Li
2005-04-10 11:21       ` Proposal for shell-patch-format [was: Re: more git updates..] Rutger Nijlunsing
2005-04-10 15:44       ` more git updates Linus Torvalds
2005-04-10 17:00         ` Rutger Nijlunsing
2005-04-10 18:50         ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-10 20:57           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-10 19:03             ` Christopher Li
2005-04-10 22:38               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-10 19:53                 ` Christopher Li
2005-04-10 23:21                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-10 21:28                     ` Christopher Li
2005-04-12  5:14                       ` David Lang
2005-04-12  6:00                         ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-12  7:05                         ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-04-11  6:57                 ` bert hubert
2005-04-11  7:20                   ` Christer Weinigel
2005-04-10 23:14             ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-10 23:38               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-04-11  0:19                 ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-11 15:49                 ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-04-11 18:30                   ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-11  0:10               ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-09 22:00 ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-09 23:21 ` Ralph Corderoy
2005-04-10  0:39   ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-10  1:14     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-04-10  1:33       ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-10 10:22     ` Ralph Corderoy
2005-04-10 17:30       ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-10 17:31 ` Rik van Riel
2005-04-10 17:35   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-11 16:46 ` ross

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