From: David Meybohm <dmeybohmlkml@bellsouth.net>
To: Andy Isaacson <adi@hexapodia.org>
Cc: omb@bluewin.ch, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: SHA1 hash safety
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:30:27 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050419223027.GA26100@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050418074323.GA29765@hexapodia.org>
On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 12:43:23AM -0700, Andy Isaacson wrote:
>
> I'm not going to do the sums, but I would hazard a guess that it's more
> likely your PC suffered a cosmic-ray-induced memory fault - EACH OF THE
> FOUR TIMES YOU TESTED IT - causing it to report the same MD5, than that
> you actually discovered a collision with a measly million (or even
> hundred million) plaintexts.
But doesn't this require assuming the distribution of MD5 is uniform,
and don't the papers finding collisions in less show it's not? So, your
birthday-argument for calculating the probability wouldn't apply, because
it rests on the assumption MD5 is uniform, and it isn't.
For example, say most people are married in June, get pregnant, and
there are more births around March, 9 months later, than in other
months. Then if you are born in March you have a higher chance of seeing
a collision of your birthday with someone else's. The same is true for
someone else born in March too, and this makes the chances of seeing a
collision for the whole function higher.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-04-19 22:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-04-16 12:24 SHA1 hash safety David Lang
2005-04-16 12:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-16 12:48 ` David Lang
2005-04-16 13:29 ` Brian O'Mahoney
2005-04-16 14:58 ` C. Scott Ananian
2005-04-16 15:11 ` Petr Baudis
2005-04-16 15:36 ` C. Scott Ananian
2005-04-16 22:56 ` David Lang
2005-04-16 23:11 ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-16 23:18 ` Martin Mares
2005-04-17 4:38 ` David A. Wheeler
2005-04-18 0:09 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-04-16 15:49 ` ross
2005-04-17 6:35 ` Horst von Brand
2005-04-18 2:07 ` Brian O'Mahoney
2005-04-18 16:50 ` C. Scott Ananian
2005-04-16 19:16 ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-16 21:35 ` Brian O'Mahoney
2005-04-18 7:43 ` Andy Isaacson
2005-04-18 17:04 ` C. Scott Ananian
2005-04-19 22:30 ` David Meybohm [this message]
2005-04-19 22:48 ` C. Scott Ananian
2005-04-20 18:56 ` David Meybohm
2005-04-16 22:46 ` David Lang
2005-04-16 23:14 ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-16 22:33 ` David Lang
2005-04-17 3:23 ` Tkil
2005-04-17 4:09 ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-17 4:43 ` Tkil
2005-04-17 5:09 ` Paul Jackson
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