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From: Andi Kleen <ak@muc.de>
To: Takashi Ikebe <ikebe.takashi@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Cc: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH x86_64] Live Patching Function on 2.6.11.7
Date: 26 Apr 2005 15:05:48 +0200
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 15:05:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050426130547.GE65287@muc.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <426D9AC0.5020908@lab.ntt.co.jp>

On Tue, Apr 26, 2005 at 10:34:56AM +0900, Takashi Ikebe wrote:
> I think that's the common sense in every carrier.
> If we reboot the switch, the service will be disrupted.
> The phone network is lifeline, and does not allow to be disrupt by just 
> bug fix.
> I think same kind of function is needed in many real 
> enterprise/mission-critical/business area.
> 
> All do with ptrace may affect target process's time critical task. (need 
> to stop target process whenever fix)

Sorry, but what are your exact time requirements for this? 

Remember any x86-64 CPU is really fast and it can do a _lot_ of ptrace
operations in a very short time.

Just a vague "it may be too slow" is not enough justification to 
push a lot of redundant code into the kernel. Also if ptrace
should be really too slow (which I doubt, but you are welcome
to show some numbers together with real time requirements from
a real system) then we could optimize ptrace for this, e.g.
by adding a ptrace subcommand to copy whole memory blocks
more efficiently or maybe even do a mmap like thing.

But unless someone actually demonstrates this is needed it seems far overkill. 

> All implement in user application costs too much, need to implement all 
> the application...(and I do not know this approach really works on time 
> critical applications yet.)

I think you have a lot of unproved and doubtful assumptions here.

-Andi

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-04-26 13:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-18  3:19 [PATCH x86_64] Live Patching Function on 2.6.11.7 Takashi Ikebe
2005-04-18  4:07 ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-18  4:19   ` Takashi Ikebe
2005-04-18  4:42     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-04-18  4:55       ` Nicholas Miell
2005-04-18  5:01         ` Davide Libenzi
2005-04-18  5:41           ` Takashi Ikebe
2005-07-11  7:18           ` [PATCH] eventpoll : Suppress a short lived lock from struct file Eric Dumazet
2005-07-11  8:34             ` Peter Zijlstra
2005-07-11  9:29               ` Eric Dumazet
2005-07-11 14:00                 ` Davide Libenzi
2005-07-11 15:20                   ` Eric Dumazet
2005-04-18  5:00       ` [PATCH x86_64] Live Patching Function on 2.6.11.7 David S. Miller
2005-04-18  6:12     ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-18  6:35       ` Chris Friesen
2005-04-18  6:48         ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-18 10:03         ` James Courtier-Dutton
2005-04-18  9:10           ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-18  7:32       ` Takashi Ikebe
2005-04-18  7:56         ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-18  8:37           ` Takashi Ikebe
2005-04-18  8:59             ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-18  9:16           ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-18  9:25             ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-18 11:30               ` Rik van Riel
2005-04-18 12:52                 ` Takashi Ikebe
2005-04-18 14:06                   ` Rik van Riel
2005-04-19  2:14                     ` Takashi Ikebe
2005-04-19  4:27                       ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-19  5:19                         ` Takashi Ikebe
2005-04-19  5:52                           ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-20  4:18                             ` Takashi Ikebe
2005-04-20  5:43                               ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-20  7:35                                 ` Takashi Ikebe
2005-04-20  7:50                                   ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-20  7:57                                     ` Takashi Ikebe
2005-04-20  8:26                                       ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-20  8:45                                         ` Takashi Ikebe
2005-04-20  8:51                                           ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-04-20 11:19                                           ` Rik van Riel
2005-04-20 15:06                                             ` Chris Friesen
2005-04-20  8:34                                       ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2005-04-19  5:57                           ` Takashi Ikebe
2005-04-18 14:28               ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-20 13:10               ` Ralf Baechle
2005-04-20 15:08                 ` Chris Friesen
2005-04-23 16:17 ` Andi Kleen
2005-04-25  2:11   ` Takashi Ikebe
2005-04-25  2:48     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-04-25 10:39       ` Takashi Ikebe
2005-04-25 11:15         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-04-25 15:09         ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-25 15:54         ` Andi Kleen
2005-04-25 16:36         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-04-26  1:34           ` Takashi Ikebe
2005-04-26  2:15             ` Kyle Moffett
2005-04-26  9:36             ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-26 13:05             ` Andi Kleen [this message]
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2005-04-18 10:59             ` Bodo Eggert <harvested.in.lkml@posting.7eggert.dyndns.org>

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