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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: "Artem B. Bityuckiy" <dedekind@oktetlabs.ru>
Cc: Ville Herva <v@iki.fi>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: filesystem transactions API
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 15:32:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050426143247.GF10833@mail.shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <426E4EBD.6070104@oktetlabs.ru>

Artem B. Bityuckiy wrote:
> Jamie Lokier wrote:
> >I think I've wanted something like that for _years_ in unix.
> >
> >It's an old, old idea, and I've often wondered why we haven't implemented 
> >it.
> >
> 
> I thought it is possible to rather easily to implement this on top
> of non-transactional FS (albeit I didn't try) and there is no need
> to overcomplicate an FS. Just implement a specialized user-space
> library and utilize it.

No.  A transaction means that _all_ processes will see the whole
transaction or not.

It does _not_ mean that only a subset of programs, which happen to
link with a particular user-space library, will see it or not.

For example, you can use transactions for distro package management: a
whole update of a package would be a single transaction, so that at no
time does any program see an inconsistent set of files.  See why
_every_ process in the system must have the same view?

[ If you meant that you can implement it with a user-space library
that every process in the system links to, that's true.  But it would
rather misses the point of having filesystems in the kernel at all :) ]

-- Jamie

  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-26 14:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-24 20:08 [PATCH] private mounts Miklos Szeredi
2005-04-24 20:13 ` Al Viro
2005-04-24 20:45   ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-04-24 20:18 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-24 20:50   ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-04-24 20:54     ` Al Viro
2005-04-24 20:59       ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-04-24 21:06         ` Al Viro
2005-04-24 21:15           ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-04-24 21:19             ` Al Viro
2005-04-24 21:29               ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-04-24 21:39                 ` Jamie Lokier
2005-04-25  7:10                 ` Jan Hudec
2005-04-25  9:58                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-04-25 11:45                     ` Jan Hudec
2005-04-30  8:35                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-30  9:25                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-04-30  9:42                         ` Jamie Lokier
2005-04-30 10:14                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-04-30 14:36                             ` Jamie Lokier
2005-04-30 15:59                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-04-30 16:42                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2005-04-30 17:07                                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-04-30 18:20                                     ` Olivier Galibert
2005-04-30 23:58                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2005-05-01  2:39                                         ` Ram
2005-04-30 23:54                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2005-05-01  5:56                                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-05-01  6:39                                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-05-01 15:41                                         ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2005-05-11  9:00                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-05-11 10:42                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-04-24 21:43               ` Jamie Lokier
2005-04-24 22:06                 ` maciek
2005-04-25  7:14                 ` Jan Hudec
2005-04-27  9:14                 ` Helge Hafting
2005-04-25  9:48               ` Olivier Galibert
2005-04-25 16:37                 ` Tim Hockin
2005-04-30  8:37                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-25 21:09               ` Bryan Henderson
2005-04-26 13:46                 ` filesystem transactions API Ville Herva
2005-04-26 14:14                   ` Jamie Lokier
2005-04-26 14:22                     ` Artem B. Bityuckiy
2005-04-26 14:32                       ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2005-04-26 14:46                         ` Artem B. Bityuckiy
2005-04-26 15:19                           ` Jamie Lokier
2005-04-26 15:01                         ` John Stoffel
2005-04-26 15:12                           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-04-26 15:12                             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-04-26 15:19                           ` Trond Myklebust
2005-04-26 15:29                             ` Ritesh Kumar
2005-04-26 15:50                               ` Jamie Lokier
2005-04-26 16:44                               ` Trond Myklebust
2005-04-26 22:44                               ` Bryan Henderson
2005-04-26 15:47                             ` Jamie Lokier
2005-04-26 15:51                               ` Artem B. Bityuckiy
2005-04-26 15:56                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2005-04-26 16:01                                   ` Artem B. Bityuckiy
2005-04-27  9:14                                     ` Jan Hudec
2005-04-27 10:58                                       ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-04-26 15:24                           ` Jamie Lokier
2005-04-26 17:22                             ` Diego Calleja
2005-04-26 17:22                               ` Diego Calleja
2005-04-26 17:38                               ` Jamie Lokier
2005-04-27  9:34                             ` Jan Hudec
2005-04-27 13:43                               ` Ville Herva
2005-04-27 15:17                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2005-04-27 16:58                                   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-04-26 15:40                       ` Charles P. Wright
2005-04-26 16:07                         ` Artem B. Bityuckiy
2005-04-26 17:22                           ` Charles P. Wright
2005-04-27  9:37                         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-04-27  9:37                           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-04-27 13:36                       ` Andi Kleen
2005-04-26 14:25                   ` Trond Myklebust
2005-04-26 16:22                   ` Erik Hensema
2005-04-24 21:38           ` [PATCH] private mounts Jamie Lokier
2005-04-24 22:20             ` Ram
2005-04-24 22:22               ` Jamie Lokier
2005-04-25  6:00             ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-04-25  6:41               ` Ram
2005-04-25  9:55                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-04-25  7:22               ` Jan Hudec
2005-04-25 10:08                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-04-25 15:20             ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-25 19:07               ` Jamie Lokier
2005-04-26  9:29                 ` Pavel Machek
2005-04-26 14:07                   ` Jamie Lokier
2005-04-28 13:28                     ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2005-04-28 19:22                       ` Jamie Lokier
2005-04-28 13:47                     ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2005-04-28 19:20                       ` Jamie Lokier
2005-04-28 19:39                         ` Ram
2005-04-28 22:08                           ` Jamie Lokier
2005-04-29  7:57                             ` Ram
2005-04-29 14:13                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-04-29 14:42                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2005-04-29 14:50                                   ` Question about current->namespace and check_mnt() Jamie Lokier
2005-04-30  8:33                 ` [PATCH] private mounts Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-30 16:47                   ` Ram
2005-04-24 21:06         ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-24 21:12           ` Jamie Lokier

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