6pack query

6pack query

[Ray Wells]

Hello learned members of the list,

I'm contemplating changing my KISS only EPROMs for 6PACK (to perhaps 
improve matters on my 0k3 HF ports)

The kernel (2.2.20) has been compiled to include 6PACK - compiled in, 
not as a module.

Given that there is no equivalent of kissparms for 6PACK, how does one 
set parameters such as txd, slottime, etc?

In my mind, given that spattach is symbolically linked to kissattach, 
the parameters are set with kissparms in the same way as they are with 
KISS TNCs.

Am I correct in my thinking, or way off target?

Ray Wells VK2TV

Re: 6pack query

[Chuck Hast]

On 10/29/05, Ray Wells <mvc@midcoast.com.au> wrote:
> Hello learned members of the list,
>
> I'm contemplating changing my KISS only EPROMs for 6PACK (to perhaps
> improve matters on my 0k3 HF ports)
>
> The kernel (2.2.20) has been compiled to include 6PACK - compiled in,
> not as a module.
>
> Given that there is no equivalent of kissparms for 6PACK, how does one
> set parameters such as txd, slottime, etc?
>
> In my mind, given that spattach is symbolically linked to kissattach,
> the parameters are set with kissparms in the same way as they are with
> KISS TNCs.
>
> Am I correct in my thinking, or way off target?

Ray,
I am running it and that appears to be the way it works. I have set up my
kissparms and when i change them I can see the changes in the way the
TNC operates.


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Chuck Hast
To paraphrase my flight instructor;
"the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going
out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn
and twisted metal."

Re: 6pack query

[Ray Wells]

Chuck Hast wrote:

>On 10/29/05, Ray Wells <mvc@midcoast.com.au> wrote:
>  
>
>>Hello learned members of the list,
>>
>>I'm contemplating changing my KISS only EPROMs for 6PACK (to perhaps
>>improve matters on my 0k3 HF ports)
>>
>>The kernel (2.2.20) has been compiled to include 6PACK - compiled in,
>>not as a module.
>>
>>Given that there is no equivalent of kissparms for 6PACK, how does one
>>set parameters such as txd, slottime, etc?
>>
>>In my mind, given that spattach is symbolically linked to kissattach,
>>the parameters are set with kissparms in the same way as they are with
>>KISS TNCs.
>>
>>Am I correct in my thinking, or way off target?
>>    
>>
>
>Ray,
>I am running it and that appears to be the way it works. I have set up my
>kissparms and when i change them I can see the changes in the way the
>TNC operates.
>
>
>--
>Chuck Hast
>To paraphrase my flight instructor;
>"the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going
>out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn
>and twisted metal."
>
>
>  
>
Thanks Chuck,

I appear to have guessed that part correctly. However, I may have bombed 
out in believing that spattach was "ready to go".

Upon close inspection of kissattach.c I find that a change as per 
/.../6pack.txt hasn't been implemented.

So, for my next question, if I make the change and recompile kissattach, 
and rename it spattach, can I still use the original kissattach for KISS 
applications?

Ray

Re: 6pack query

[Chuck Hast]

On 10/30/05, Ray Wells <mvc@midcoast.com.au> wrote:
>
> Chuck Hast wrote:
>
> >On 10/29/05, Ray Wells <mvc@midcoast.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Hello learned members of the list,
> >>
> >>I'm contemplating changing my KISS only EPROMs for 6PACK (to perhaps
> >>improve matters on my 0k3 HF ports)
> >>
> >>The kernel (2.2.20) has been compiled to include 6PACK - compiled in,
> >>not as a module.
> >>
> >>Given that there is no equivalent of kissparms for 6PACK, how does one
> >>set parameters such as txd, slottime, etc?
> >>
> >>In my mind, given that spattach is symbolically linked to kissattach,
> >>the parameters are set with kissparms in the same way as they are with
> >>KISS TNCs.
> >>
> >>Am I correct in my thinking, or way off target?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Ray,
> >I am running it and that appears to be the way it works. I have set up my
> >kissparms and when i change them I can see the changes in the way the
> >TNC operates.
> >
> >
> >--
> >Chuck Hast
> >To paraphrase my flight instructor;
> >"the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going
> >out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn
> >and twisted metal."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Thanks Chuck,
>
> I appear to have guessed that part correctly. However, I may have bombed
> out in believing that spattach was "ready to go".
>
> Upon close inspection of kissattach.c I find that a change as per
> /.../6pack.txt hasn't been implemented.
>

I would assume that is the token ring type of operation with multiple TNC's
on a single port, which is not implemented. (I wish it was as it sure would
make life easier for some of our sites)

> So, for my next question, if I make the change and recompile kissattach,
> and rename it spattach, can I still use the original kissattach for KISS
> applications?
>

I do not know, I have been running it as is, and it appears to work just
fine for one TNC.
> Ray
>


--
Chuck Hast
To paraphrase my flight instructor;
"the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going
out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn
and twisted metal."

Re: 6pack query

[Iñaki Arenaza]

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>>>>> "Chuck" == Chuck Hast <wchast@gmail.com> writes:

    Chuck> I would assume that is the token ring type of operation
    Chuck> with multiple TNC's on a single port, which is not
    Chuck> implemented. (I wish it was as it sure would make life
    Chuck> easier for some of our sites)

In fact, I implemented it years ago in userspace. I don't know why,
but the ax25-utils maintainers never put it on the stock version (even
though I sent them the patch).

Get a copy of ax25-tools-0.0.8 from ax25.sourceforge.net, and save it
somewhere (say /home/myuser/ax25-tools/). Get a copy of my patch from:

   http://www.escomposlinux.org/iarenaza/hamradio/m6pack/files/ax25-tools-0.0.8-m6pack.diff.bz2 

and save it in the same directory. Now untar the tools and patch them:

        cd /home/myuser/ax25-tools
        tar xzf ax25-tools-0.0.8.tar.gz
        bzip2 -dc ax25-tools-0.0.8-m6pack.diff.bz2 | patch -p0

and build the m6pack binaries (you have to build libax25 previously,
or have it installed somewhere in your system --maybe it's the package
called libax25-dev--):

        cd ax25-tools-0.0.8
        ./configure
        cd kiss
        make m6pack

now you've got a new executable, called m6pack (and it's associated
manual page).

Now, let's suppose you've got your 6pack TNC ring attached to
/dev/ttyS0 and your TNCs are configured for 19200 bps on the serial
port. You've got 4 TNCs on your ring, so you execute:

   m6pack -s 19200 /dev/ttyS0 /dev/ptyq0 /dev/ptyq1 /dev/ptyq2 /dev/ptyq3

This "splits" your 4 TNC ring into 4 separate "pseudo-ports", each one
talking to a different TNC on your ring.

Now you use spattach to attach each one of them. Let's supppose your
radio ports (as configured in axports file) are called 6pack0, 6pack1,
etc:

    spattach /dev/ttyq0 6pack0 
    spattach /dev/ttyq1 6pack1 
    spattach /dev/ttyq1 6pack2 
    spattach /dev/ttyq1 6pack3 

- From here on, everything works the same as usual.

73's de EB2EBU.

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Re: 6pack query

[Ralf Baechle]

On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 04:10:04PM +0100, Iñaki Arenaza wrote:

> In fact, I implemented it years ago in userspace. I don't know why,
> but the ax25-utils maintainers never put it on the stock version (even
> though I sent them the patch).

Craig was only keeping the packages alive but not more - for whatever
reasons - but he made that pretty clear on top of ax25.sourceforge.net.
Then a week ago I approached him and since then I've taken over maintenance
of libax25, ax25-tools and ax25-apps together with DL9SAU.

So since there is basically now a new team running the show it's probably
safe to say that many of the old bug reports, feature request, patches etc.
have been lost in the noise of history.  Give us a little time to catch up,
then start resubmitting patches again and we'll take it from there.

73 de DL5RB op Ralf

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Re: 6pack query

[Iñaki Arenaza]

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>>>>> "Ralf" == Ralf Baechle <ralf@linux-mips.org> writes:

    Ralf> Craig was only keeping the packages alive but not more - for
    Ralf> whatever reasons - but he made that pretty clear on top of
    Ralf> ax25.sourceforge.net.

I just wanted to say that the patches have been available for some
time, really. Given that English is not my mother tongue, maybe I
sounded a little to harsh. I apologize.

73's de EB2EBU

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Re: 6pack query

[Ralf Baechle DL5RB]

On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 08:29:19PM +0100, Iñaki Arenaza wrote:

>     Ralf> Craig was only keeping the packages alive but not more - for
>     Ralf> whatever reasons - but he made that pretty clear on top of
>     Ralf> ax25.sourceforge.net.
> 
> I just wanted to say that the patches have been available for some
> time, really. Given that English is not my mother tongue, maybe I
> sounded a little to harsh. I apologize.

Not harsh but more for well understandable reasons complaining why your
patches were never integrated.

And btw, English is just a second language for me as well.

  Ralf
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Re: 6pack query

[Chuck Hast]

On 11/1/05, Ralf Baechle DL5RB <ralf@linux-mips.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 08:29:19PM +0100, Iñaki Arenaza wrote:
>
> >     Ralf> Craig was only keeping the packages alive but not more - for
> >     Ralf> whatever reasons - but he made that pretty clear on top of
> >     Ralf> ax25.sourceforge.net.
> >
> > I just wanted to say that the patches have been available for some
> > time, really. Given that English is not my mother tongue, maybe I
> > sounded a little to harsh. I apologize.
>
> Not harsh but more for well understandable reasons complaining why your
> patches were never integrated.
>
> And btw, English is just a second language for me as well.
>

This is great, as soon as I get my floating dock project done (hope to have
it in the water today) I will pull those patches and do it, and give it a try.

I do have a question, I assume that since it is RS-232 the usual distance
(wire requirements) hold. Is there any timing limitation that I should be aware
of over a long (15-30m) wire? This will allow me to place the TNC's near the
radios and not down where the switch is located, reducing the amount of signal
loss in the coax. (and keeping cost of coax down.


By way English is my second language too, I speak a variant of Cracker as
first language and Spanish and English as second ones... B=]

In a more serious mind... I would not worry much about the language, I
murder the mother tongue about as much as anyone, and will hold it against
no one...



--
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"the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going
out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn
and twisted metal."
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Re: 6pack query

[Ralf Baechle DL5RB]

On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 10:20:40AM -0400, Chuck Hast wrote:

> This is great, as soon as I get my floating dock project done (hope to have
> it in the water today) I will pull those patches and do it, and give it a try.
> 
> I do have a question, I assume that since it is RS-232 the usual distance
> (wire requirements) hold. Is there any timing limitation that I should be aware
> of over a long (15-30m) wire? This will allow me to place the TNC's near the
> radios and not down where the switch is located, reducing the amount of signal
> loss in the coax. (and keeping cost of coax down.

The RS-232 limit is given by the electric properties of your wiring and
also the drivers.  Modern PCs frequently seem to have rather marginal
RS323 port receiver & drivers.  Starting a certain length you may also have
to worry if they're potencially are a receiving antenna for a shortwave
station nearby ...

> By way English is my second language too, I speak a variant of Cracker as
> first language and Spanish and English as second ones... B=]
> 
> In a more serious mind... I would not worry much about the language, I
> murder the mother tongue about as much as anyone, and will hold it against
> no one...

My every other word is "bloody" so I guess my British accent is quite
perfect ;-)

73 de DL5RB op Ralf

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Re: 6pack query

[Chuck Hast]

On 11/1/05, Ralf Baechle DL5RB <ralf@linux-mips.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 10:20:40AM -0400, Chuck Hast wrote:
>
> > This is great, as soon as I get my floating dock project done (hope to have
> > it in the water today) I will pull those patches and do it, and give it a try.
> >
> > I do have a question, I assume that since it is RS-232 the usual distance
> > (wire requirements) hold. Is there any timing limitation that I should be aware
> > of over a long (15-30m) wire? This will allow me to place the TNC's near the
> > radios and not down where the switch is located, reducing the amount of signal
> > loss in the coax. (and keeping cost of coax down.
>
> The RS-232 limit is given by the electric properties of your wiring and
> also the drivers.  Modern PCs frequently seem to have rather marginal
> RS323 port receiver & drivers.  Starting a certain length you may also have
> to worry if they're potencially are a receiving antenna for a shortwave
> station nearby ...
>
OK, so there are no timing issues if I used a line driver on each end and
ran say 40m of wire between them? I can handle signalling levels no problem,
I just do not want to find out that the timing is such that a long
wire would cause
a issue there.


> > By way English is my second language too, I speak a variant of Cracker as
> > first language and Spanish and English as second ones... B=]
> >
> > In a more serious mind... I would not worry much about the language, I
> > murder the mother tongue about as much as anyone, and will hold it against
> > no one...
>
> My every other word is "bloody" so I guess my British accent is quite
> perfect ;-)
>

Ahh so you can then murder it officially... B-b;;;

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"the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going
out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn
and twisted metal."