From: Olivier Galibert <galibert@pobox.com>
To: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>
Cc: Linux-pm mailing list <linux-pm@lists.osdl.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] userland swsusp
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:12:04 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051117201204.GA32376@dspnet.fr.eu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1132257432.4438.8.camel@mindpipe>
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On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 02:57:11PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 18:02 +0100, Olivier Galibert wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 11:05:00PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > > Now... if something can be
> > > done in userspace, it probably should.
> >
> > And that usually means it just isn't done. Cases in point:
> > multichannel audio software mixing, video pixel formats conversion.
>
> What are you talking about? ALSA does mixing in userspace, it works
> great.
You have an interesting definition of "great".
1- It doesn't work without an annoyingly complex, extremely badly
documented user configuration. To the point that it doesn't work in
either an out-of-the-box, updated Fedora Core 3 nor an
out-of-the-box gentoo.
2- It doesn't work for programs that do not use the annoyingly complex
and horribly documented alsa library, which includes everything
that still uses OSS[1].
You call that great? Multiple audio streams is such a basic feature
it should work, period. No if, no buts, and no obligatory library.
Which doesn't preclude having it in userspace, mind you. But it
should never have been the _application_'s responsability.
OG.
[1] Which is so easier to use for normal programs' audio it's not
funny.
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From: Olivier Galibert <galibert@pobox.com>
To: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux-pm mailing list <linux-pm@lists.osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] [RFC] userland swsusp
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:12:04 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051117201204.GA32376@dspnet.fr.eu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1132257432.4438.8.camel@mindpipe>
On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 02:57:11PM -0500, Lee Revell wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 18:02 +0100, Olivier Galibert wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 11:05:00PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > > Now... if something can be
> > > done in userspace, it probably should.
> >
> > And that usually means it just isn't done. Cases in point:
> > multichannel audio software mixing, video pixel formats conversion.
>
> What are you talking about? ALSA does mixing in userspace, it works
> great.
You have an interesting definition of "great".
1- It doesn't work without an annoyingly complex, extremely badly
documented user configuration. To the point that it doesn't work in
either an out-of-the-box, updated Fedora Core 3 nor an
out-of-the-box gentoo.
2- It doesn't work for programs that do not use the annoyingly complex
and horribly documented alsa library, which includes everything
that still uses OSS[1].
You call that great? Multiple audio streams is such a basic feature
it should work, period. No if, no buts, and no obligatory library.
Which doesn't preclude having it in userspace, mind you. But it
should never have been the _application_'s responsability.
OG.
[1] Which is so easier to use for normal programs' audio it's not
funny.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-11-17 20:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-11-16 16:10 [RFC] userland swsusp Gross, Mark
2005-11-16 16:10 ` [linux-pm] " Gross, Mark
2005-11-16 16:44 ` Greg KH
2005-11-16 16:44 ` [linux-pm] " Greg KH
2005-11-16 20:20 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-11-16 22:05 ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-16 21:13 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-11-16 22:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2005-11-16 22:41 ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2005-11-16 22:50 ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-16 22:50 ` [linux-pm] " Pavel Machek
2005-11-17 17:02 ` Olivier Galibert
2005-11-17 17:02 ` [linux-pm] " Olivier Galibert
2005-11-17 19:57 ` Lee Revell
2005-11-17 19:57 ` [linux-pm] " Lee Revell
2005-11-17 20:12 ` Olivier Galibert [this message]
2005-11-17 20:12 ` Olivier Galibert
2005-11-17 20:20 ` Lee Revell
2005-11-17 20:37 ` Dave Jones
2005-11-17 20:46 ` Lee Revell
2005-11-17 20:46 ` [linux-pm] " Lee Revell
2005-11-17 20:59 ` Dave Jones
2005-11-17 20:59 ` [linux-pm] " Dave Jones
2005-11-17 20:54 ` Lee Revell
2005-11-17 21:01 ` Dave Jones
2005-11-17 21:06 ` Chris Wright
2005-11-17 21:14 ` Lee Revell
2005-11-17 21:14 ` [linux-pm] " Lee Revell
2005-11-17 21:18 ` Chris Wright
2005-11-17 21:18 ` [linux-pm] " Chris Wright
2005-11-17 21:45 ` Diego Calleja
2005-11-17 21:45 ` Diego Calleja
2005-11-17 21:09 ` Matthew Garrett
2005-11-17 21:09 ` Matthew Garrett
2005-11-17 21:16 ` Lee Revell
2005-11-17 21:16 ` [linux-pm] " Lee Revell
2005-11-17 20:47 ` Lee Revell
2005-11-17 20:47 ` [linux-pm] " Lee Revell
2005-11-17 20:50 ` software mixing [was Re: [linux-pm] [RFC] userland swsusp] Lee Revell
2005-11-16 22:10 ` [RFC] userland swsusp Greg KH
2005-11-16 22:10 ` [linux-pm] " Greg KH
2005-11-16 21:25 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-11-16 21:25 ` [linux-pm] " Nigel Cunningham
2005-11-17 7:14 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-17 7:14 ` [linux-pm] " Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-16 19:10 ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-16 19:10 ` [linux-pm] " Pavel Machek
2005-11-17 16:54 ` Olivier Galibert
2005-11-17 16:44 ` Greg KH
2005-11-17 17:03 ` Patrick Mochel
2005-11-17 17:03 ` [linux-pm] " Patrick Mochel
2005-11-17 17:31 ` Olivier Galibert
2005-11-17 20:15 ` Jacek Kawa
2005-11-17 20:15 ` [linux-pm] " Jacek Kawa
2005-11-17 21:56 ` Greg KH
2005-11-18 17:41 ` Jacek Kawa
2005-11-18 17:41 ` [linux-pm] " Jacek Kawa
2005-11-18 23:22 ` Pavel Machek
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-11-17 18:50 Starikovskiy, Alexey Y
2005-11-16 16:00 Stefan Rompf
2005-11-16 19:07 ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-17 7:19 ` Stefan Rompf
2005-11-17 10:01 ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-21 6:23 ` Rob Landley
2005-11-21 14:14 ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-15 21:29 Pavel Machek
2005-11-15 21:29 ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-15 21:32 ` Greg KH
2005-11-15 22:25 ` [linux-pm] " Dave Jones
2005-11-15 23:32 ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-15 23:40 ` Dave Jones
2005-11-16 8:56 ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-16 21:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2005-11-16 4:35 ` [linux-pm] " Dumitru Ciobarcianu
2005-11-16 6:14 ` Greg KH
2005-11-16 6:00 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-11-16 16:50 ` Greg KH
2005-11-16 19:57 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-11-16 21:35 ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-16 21:13 ` Nigel Cunningham
2005-11-16 22:47 ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-23 10:16 ` Lorenzo Colitti
2005-11-23 12:02 ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-19 9:32 ` Rob Landley
2005-11-19 23:51 ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-18 19:36 ` Alan Cox
2005-11-18 21:18 ` [linux-pm] " Dave Jones
2005-11-18 21:20 ` Greg KH
2005-11-19 23:43 ` [linux-pm] " Pavel Machek
2005-11-20 21:48 ` Dave Jones
2005-11-20 22:09 ` [linux-pm] " Pavel Machek
2005-11-21 11:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2005-11-21 14:19 ` Pavel Machek
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