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From: "John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com>
To: Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
Cc: Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-net@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] ip / ifconfig redesign
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 09:01:00 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051205140057.GC24764@tuxdriver.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4391E4FC.1040200@candelatech.com>

On Sat, Dec 03, 2005 at 10:33:32AM -0800, Ben Greear wrote:
> Al Boldi wrote:
> 
> >Here specifically, ip/ifconfig is implemented upside-down requiring a 
> >link/dev to exist for an address to be defined, in effect containing layer 
> >3 inside layer 2, when an address should be allowed to be defined w/o a 
> >link/dev much like an app is allowed to be defined w/o an address.
> 
> [Removed lkml from CC list]
> 
> You can add multiple virtual IP addresses to physical interfaces.  It
> makes no sense to have an IP without any association to an interface
> in my opinion.  Often, when you have multiple interfaces, you most 
> definately
> want different IPs associated specifically with particular interfaces.
> Think about redundant paths, routers, firewalls, and such.

The association between IP addresses and links is already a bit murky.
Reference the arp_announce sysctl for what I mean.  I recall Dave M.
emphasizing on at least one occassion that IP addresses belong to
the _box_, not to the link.

I think Al B.'s idea merits some consideration.  I definitely think
we blur the distinctions between L2 and L3 a bit too much in places.

Of course, patches would be helpful...

John
-- 
John W. Linville
linville@tuxdriver.com

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-12-05 14:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-02 19:53 [RFC] ip / ifconfig redesign Al Boldi
2005-12-02 19:59 ` Pekka Savola
2005-12-02 20:08 ` Ben Greear
2005-12-02 20:38 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-12-02 22:49   ` Jesper Juhl
2005-12-10 18:51   ` Stefan Smietanowski
2005-12-02 21:19 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2005-12-08 10:15   ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-12-02 22:40 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-03 13:46 ` Al Boldi
2005-12-03 18:33   ` Ben Greear
2005-12-03 20:25     ` Al Boldi
2005-12-05 14:01     ` John W. Linville [this message]
2005-12-05 14:20       ` Jeroen Massar
2005-12-05 17:40       ` Marc Singer
2005-12-05 17:59         ` Jeroen Massar
2005-12-05 20:56           ` Marc Singer
2005-12-05 22:19           ` John Heffner
2005-12-05 22:28             ` Rick Jones
2005-12-05 22:30               ` John Heffner
2005-12-05 22:43                 ` Rick Jones
2005-12-05 23:03                   ` John Heffner
2005-12-06  5:13                     ` Marc Singer
2005-12-05 22:48             ` Jeroen Massar
2005-12-05 22:56               ` John Heffner
2005-12-05 23:10                 ` Jeroen Massar
2005-12-06  5:18               ` Marc Singer
2005-12-05 18:00         ` Ben Greear
2005-12-05 20:10           ` John W. Linville
2005-12-05 21:03           ` Marc Singer
2005-12-05 20:48       ` Al Boldi
2005-12-11  4:59 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-12-14 14:19 ` Al Boldi
     [not found] <447BB19E14004A4388CB9A864D2BA7630DF693@hq-ex-6.brocade.com>
2005-12-03 14:58 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw

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