From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1EksXK-0004dM-SB for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:24:26 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EksXI-0004cq-00 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:24:24 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EksXG-0004cQ-WA for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:24:23 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EksXG-0004cJ-NI for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:24:22 -0500 Received: from [212.85.152.101] (helo=kotoba.storever.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EksYY-0000x2-2n for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:25:42 -0500 Received: from kotoba.storever.com (kotoba.oasis.nexedi.com [212.85.152.101]) by kotoba.storever.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 895173C8229AA for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 01:43:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from ip6-localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kotoba.storever.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E273C7E6F71 for ; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 01:43:33 +0100 (CET) From: "Yoshinori K. Okuji" Organization: enbug.org To: The development of GRUB 2 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 01:23:57 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <1134169667.4975.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <87vexxonh6.fsf@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <87vexxonh6.fsf@xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512100123.57552.okuji@enbug.org> X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500027, version=0.17.2 Subject: Re: GRUB2 Build on Mac OS X X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 00:24:24 -0000 On Saturday 10 December 2005 12:32 am, Marco Gerards wrote: > Wouldn't it be possible to use some other memory than the stack to > implement trampolines? It's documented quite well: By modifying GCC and a dynamic linker, it is possible. > Anyways, my primary concerns are making things work and moving > forwards to something that is releasable. Making GRUB work in a way > so it works like everyone wants is secondary and not possible in > practice. Paranoid security is secondary to me, but if we can get it > for free without making a mess of the code, that would be great. Paranoid is called paranoid, because it is a disease. Many people tend to forget that things are always based on a tradeoff. If such an attempt as prohibiting all executable stacks is merely paranoid, we should not care about it. Okuji