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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Sridhar Samudrala <sri@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@osdl.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	mpm@selenic.com, ak@suse.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/3] TCP/IP Critical socket communication mechanism
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:11:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051221091114.GA8495@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1134758299.10691.28.camel@w-sridhar2.beaverton.ibm.com>

Hi!

> > If it is only one place, why not pre-allocate one "I'm sick now"
> > skb and hold onto it. Any bigger solution seems to snowball into
> > a huge mess.
> 
> But the problem is even sending/receiving a single packet can cause 
> multiple dynamic allocations in the networking path all the way from
> the sockets layer->transport->ip->driver.
> To successfully send a packet, we may have to do arp, send acks and 
> create cached routes etc. So my patch tried to identify the allocations
> that are needed to succesfully send/receive packets over a pre-established
> socket and adds a new flag GFP_CRITICAL to those calls.
> This doesn't make any difference when we are not in emergency. But when
> we go into emergency, VM will try to satisfy these allocations from a
> critical pool if the normal path leads to failure.
> 
> We go into emergency when some management app detects that a swap device
> is about to fail(we are not yet in OOM, but will enter OOM soon). In order
> to avoid entering OOM, we need to send a message over a critical socket to
> a remote server that can initiate failover and switch to a different swap
> device. The switchover will happen within 2 minutes after it is initiated.
> In a cluster environment, the remote server also sends a message to other
> nodes which are also running the management app so that they also enter
> emergency. Once we successfully switch to a different swap device, the remote
> server sends a message to all the nodes and they come out of emergency.
> 
> During the period of emergency, all other communications can block. But
> guranteeing the successful delivery of the critical messages will help 
> in making sure that we do not enter OOM situation.

Why not do it the other way? "If you don't hear from me for 2 minutes,
do a switchover". Then all you have to do is _not_ to send a packet --
easier to do.

Anything else seems overkill.
								Pavel
-- 
Thanks, Sharp!

  reply	other threads:[~2005-12-21  9:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-14  9:12 [RFC][PATCH 0/3] TCP/IP Critical socket communication mechanism Sridhar Samudrala
2005-12-14  9:22 ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-14 17:55   ` Sridhar Samudrala
2005-12-14 18:41     ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-14 19:20       ` David Stevens
2005-12-15  3:39     ` Matt Mackall
2005-12-15  4:30       ` David S. Miller
2005-12-15  5:02         ` Matt Mackall
2005-12-15  5:23           ` David S. Miller
2005-12-15  5:48             ` Matt Mackall
2005-12-15  5:53             ` Nick Piggin
2005-12-15  5:56             ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-12-15  8:44               ` David Stevens
2005-12-15  8:58                 ` David S. Miller
2005-12-15  9:27                   ` David Stevens
2005-12-15  5:42         ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-15  6:06           ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-12-15  7:37         ` Sridhar Samudrala
2005-12-15  8:21           ` David S. Miller
2005-12-15  8:35             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-15  8:55             ` [RFC] Fine-grained memory priorities and PI Kyle Moffett
2005-12-15  9:04               ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-15 12:51                 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-12-15 13:31                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-15 12:45               ` Con Kolivas
2005-12-15 12:58                 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-12-15 13:02                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-12-16  2:09             ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] TCP/IP Critical socket communication mechanism Sridhar Samudrala
2005-12-16 17:48               ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-12-16 18:38                 ` Sridhar Samudrala
2005-12-21  9:11                   ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2005-12-21  9:39                     ` David Stevens
2005-12-14 20:16 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-12-14 20:25   ` Ben Greear
2005-12-14 20:49   ` James Courtier-Dutton
2005-12-14 21:55     ` Sridhar Samudrala
2005-12-14 22:09       ` James Courtier-Dutton
2005-12-14 22:39         ` Ben Greear
2005-12-14 23:42           ` Sridhar Samudrala
2005-12-15  1:54     ` Mitchell Blank Jr
2005-12-15 11:38       ` James Courtier-Dutton
2005-12-15 11:47         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-15 13:00           ` jamal
2005-12-15 13:07             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-15 13:32               ` jamal
     [not found] <5jUjW-8nu-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <5jWYp-3K1-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <5jXhZ-4kj-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-12-16  8:35     ` Bodo Eggert
2005-12-16  8:35       ` Bodo Eggert

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