From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Evyd6-0007KG-FH for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:08:16 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Evyd4-0007Jv-0F for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:08:14 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Evyd1-0007JT-RF for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:08:13 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Evyd0-0007JK-JO for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:08:11 -0500 Received: from [212.85.152.101] (helo=kotoba.storever.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EvyfI-0004JM-O3 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 10:10:32 -0500 Received: from kotoba.oasis.nexedi.com (kotoba.oasis.nexedi.com [212.85.152.101]) by kotoba.storever.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B71CC3CAF54C6 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:39:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kotoba.storever.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA9453C000E6B for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:38:59 +0100 (CET) From: "Yoshinori K. Okuji" Organization: enbug.org To: The development of GRUB 2 Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:06:03 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <14954CF8-129C-4272-BAA4-762807DE765D@speakeasy.net> <87aces8b7k.fsf@xs4all.nl> <1135757326.25959.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1135757326.25959.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200601091606.03959.okuji@enbug.org> X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500000, version=0.17.2 Subject: Re: Nested Function Patches X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:08:14 -0000 On Wednesday 28 December 2005 09:08 am, Peter Jones wrote: > That's taking the very unrealistic point of view that using nested > functions isn't broken. It is, in a great many ways which have already > been discussed in depth, and which you've, rather disturbingly, chosen > to ignore. Using "features" which require an executable stack is still > just a bad idea. > > It's too bad that the grub project has chosen to ignore the pragmatic > implications of code structure and style. I'm sick of your FUD. If you are an engineer or programmer, show a technical reason. All you have mentioned are: - Red Hat does not ship programs with nested functions - You feel that it is safer - Everybody is going to disable executable stacks Where is such a discussion in depth? Is this time before renaissance? I understand the behavior of Red Hat, since Red Hat is after all a commercial entity, so it must make business from marketing point of view. But GRUB is not tied with such an activity. We are open to opinions, but you should not insult the project or the members only because our technical decision is not compatible with your own desire. Okuji