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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@us.ibm.com>
To: Keith Owens <kaos@sgi.com>
Cc: John Hesterberg <jh@sgi.com>, Matt Helsley <matthltc@us.ibm.com>,
	Jes Sorensen <jes@trained-monkey.org>,
	Shailabh Nagar <nagar@watson.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Jay Lan <jlan@engr.sgi.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	elsa-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, lse-tech@lists.sourceforge.net,
	CKRM-Tech <ckrm-tech@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>, Erik Jacobson <erikj@sgi.com>,
	Jack Steiner <steiner@sgi.com>
Subject: Re: [Lse-tech] Re: [ckrm-tech] Re: [PATCH 00/01] Move Exit Connectors
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:49:48 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060118024948.GA10407@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <22822.1137542267@ocs3.ocs.com.au>

On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 10:57:47AM +1100, Keith Owens wrote:
> "Paul E. McKenney" (on Tue, 17 Jan 2006 09:26:17 -0800) wrote:
[ . . .]
> >One other thing -- given that you are requiring that the read side
> >have preemption disabled, another update-side option would be to
> >use synchronize_sched() to wait for all preemption-disabled code
> >segments to complete.  This would allow you to remove the per-CPU
> >reference counters from the read side, but would require that the
> >update side either (1) be able to block or (2) be able to defer
> >the cleanup to process context.
> 
> Originally I looked at that code but the comment scared me off.
> synchronize_sched() maps to synchronize_rcu() and the comment says that
> this only protects against rcu_read_lock(), not against preempt_disable().

Good point -- in mainline kernels (but not in some realtime
variants), the two guarantees happen to be one and the same.
But the comment certainly does not make this clear.

> /**
>  * synchronize_sched - block until all CPUs have exited any non-preemptive
>  * kernel code sequences.
>  *
>  * This means that all preempt_disable code sequences, including NMI and
>  * hardware-interrupt handlers, in progress on entry will have completed
>  * before this primitive returns.  However, this does not guarantee that
>  * softirq handlers will have completed, since in some kernels
>  *
>  * This primitive provides the guarantees made by the (deprecated)
>  * synchronize_kernel() API.  In contrast, synchronize_rcu() only
>  * guarantees that rcu_read_lock() sections will have completed.
>  */
> #define synchronize_sched() synchronize_rcu()

Does the following change help?

							Thanx, Paul

diff -urpNa -X dontdiff linux-2.6.15/include/linux/rcupdate.h linux-2.6.15-RCUcomment/include/linux/rcupdate.h
--- linux-2.6.15/include/linux/rcupdate.h	2006-01-02 19:21:10.000000000 -0800
+++ linux-2.6.15-RCUcomment/include/linux/rcupdate.h	2006-01-17 18:48:33.000000000 -0800
@@ -265,11 +265,14 @@ static inline int rcu_pending(int cpu)
  * This means that all preempt_disable code sequences, including NMI and
  * hardware-interrupt handlers, in progress on entry will have completed
  * before this primitive returns.  However, this does not guarantee that
- * softirq handlers will have completed, since in some kernels
+ * softirq handlers will have completed, since in some kernels, these
+ * handlers can run in process context, and can block.
  *
  * This primitive provides the guarantees made by the (deprecated)
  * synchronize_kernel() API.  In contrast, synchronize_rcu() only
  * guarantees that rcu_read_lock() sections will have completed.
+ * In "classic RCU", these two guarantees happen to be one and
+ * the same, but can differ in realtime RCU implementations.
  */
 #define synchronize_sched() synchronize_rcu()
 

  reply	other threads:[~2006-01-18  2:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-03 23:16 [Patch 0/6] Per-task delay accounting Shailabh Nagar
2006-01-03 23:23 ` [Patch 1/6] Delay accounting: timespec diff Shailabh Nagar
2006-01-03 23:26 ` [Patch 2/6] Delay accounting: Initialization, kernel boot option Shailabh Nagar
2006-01-03 23:28 ` [Patch 3/6] Delay accounting: Sync block I/O delays Shailabh Nagar
2006-01-03 23:30 ` [Patch 4/6] Delay accounting: Swap in delays Shailabh Nagar
2006-01-03 23:31 ` [Patch 5/6] Delay accounting: /proc interface Shailabh Nagar
2006-01-03 23:33 ` [Patch 6/6] Delay accounting: Connector interface Shailabh Nagar
2006-01-04  0:21   ` Greg KH
2006-01-04  0:42     ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-01-04  0:51       ` Greg KH
2006-01-04  7:49         ` [Lse-tech] " Shailabh Nagar
2006-01-04 19:04   ` Jay Lan
2006-01-04 21:31     ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-01-04 22:40     ` [ckrm-tech] " Matt Helsley
2006-01-04 23:17       ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-05 18:42         ` [PATCH 00/01] Move Exit Connectors Matt Helsley
2006-01-05 19:17           ` [PATCH 01/01][RFC] " Matt Helsley
2006-01-05 19:20           ` [PATCH 00/01] " Matt Helsley
2006-01-05 23:10             ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-06  0:06               ` [ckrm-tech] " Matt Helsley
2006-01-06  8:57                 ` [Lse-tech] " Jes Sorensen
2006-01-06 16:45                   ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-01-11 10:36                     ` Jes Sorensen
2006-01-11 12:56                       ` John Hesterberg
2006-01-11 13:50                         ` Jes Sorensen
2006-01-11 21:02                       ` Matt Helsley
2006-01-11 21:39                         ` John Hesterberg
2006-01-11 22:42                           ` Matt Helsley
2006-01-12 10:01                             ` Jes Sorensen
2006-01-12 23:20                               ` Matt Helsley
2006-01-13  9:35                                 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-01-14  7:23                                   ` Matt Helsley
2006-01-12  3:29                           ` Keith Owens
2006-01-12  5:04                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-01-12  5:38                               ` Keith Owens
2006-01-12  6:19                               ` Keith Owens
2006-01-12  6:51                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-01-12  7:50                                   ` Keith Owens
2006-01-12 15:17                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-01-17 17:26                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-01-17 23:57                                         ` Keith Owens
2006-01-18  2:49                                           ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2006-01-18  2:55                                             ` Lee Revell
2006-01-18  6:29                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-01-12  5:26                             ` Matt Helsley
2006-01-12  5:45                               ` Keith Owens
2006-01-12  9:51                         ` Jes Sorensen
2006-01-12 23:01                           ` Matt Helsley
2006-01-13  9:59                             ` Jes Sorensen
2006-01-13 10:38                             ` Jes Sorensen
2006-01-13 23:22                               ` Matt Helsley
2006-01-12 23:49                       ` Matt Helsley
2006-01-05  0:01       ` [ckrm-tech] Re: [Patch 6/6] Delay accounting: Connector interface Shailabh Nagar

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