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From: Bill Huey (hui) <billh@gnuppy.monkey.org>
To: Esben Nielsen <simlo@phys.au.dk>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	david singleton <dsingleton@mvista.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RT Mutex patch and tester [PREEMPT_RT]
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:04:21 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060123020421.GA21208@gnuppy.monkey.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0601230047290.31387-201000@lifa01.phys.au.dk>

On Mon, Jan 23, 2006 at 01:20:12AM +0100, Esben Nielsen wrote:
> Here is the problem:
> 
> Task B (non-RT) takes BKL. It then takes mutex 1. Then B
> tries to lock mutex 2, which is owned by task C. B goes blocks and releases the
> BKL. Our RT task A comes along and tries to get 1. It boosts task B
> which boosts task C which releases mutex 2. Now B can continue? No, it has
> to reaquire BKL! The netto effect is that our RT task A waits for BKL to
> be released without ever calling into a module using BKL. But just because
> somebody in some non-RT code called into a module otherwise considered
> safe for RT usage with BKL held, A must wait on BKL!

True, that's major suckage, but I can't name a single place in the kernel that
does that. Remember, BKL is now preemptible so the place that it might sleep similar 
to the above would be in spinlock_t definitions. But BKL is held across schedules()s
so that the BKL semantics are preserved. Contending under a priority inheritance
operation isn't too much of a problem anyways since the use of it already makes that
path indeterminant. Even under contention, a higher priority task above A can still
run since the kernel is preemptive now even when manipulating BKL.

bill


  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-01-23  2:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-11 17:25 RT Mutex patch and tester [PREEMPT_RT] Esben Nielsen
2006-01-11 17:51 ` Steven Rostedt
2006-01-11 21:45   ` Esben Nielsen
2006-01-12 11:33 ` Bill Huey
2006-01-12 12:54   ` Esben Nielsen
2006-01-13  8:07     ` Bill Huey
2006-01-13  8:47       ` Esben Nielsen
2006-01-13 10:19         ` Bill Huey
2006-01-15  4:24 ` Bill Huey
2006-01-16  8:35   ` Esben Nielsen
2006-01-16 10:22     ` Bill Huey
2006-01-16 10:53       ` Bill Huey
2006-01-16 11:30         ` Esben Nielsen
     [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0601181120100.1993-201000@lifa02.phys.au.dk>
2006-01-18 10:38   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-18 12:49   ` Steven Rostedt
2006-01-18 14:18     ` Esben Nielsen
     [not found]   ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0601230047290.31387-201000@lifa01.phys.au.dk>
2006-01-23  0:38     ` david singleton
2006-01-23  2:04     ` Bill Huey [this message]
2006-01-23  9:33       ` Esben Nielsen
2006-01-23 14:23         ` Steven Rostedt
2006-01-23 15:14           ` Esben Nielsen
2006-01-27 15:18             ` Esben Nielsen

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