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From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	Carl Baldwin <cnb@fc.hp.com>, Junio C Hamano <junkio@cox.net>,
	Keith Packard <keithp@keithp.com>,
	Martin Langhoff <martin.langhoff@gmail.com>,
	Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Census] So who uses git?
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 13:12:48 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060131181248.GE11955@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0601310926330.7301@g5.osdl.org>

On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 09:30:48AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> I really think you should explain it one of two ways:
> 
>  - ignore it. Never _ever_ use git-update-index directly, and don't tell 
>    people about use individual filenames to git-commit. Maybe even add 
>    "-a" by default to the git-commit flags as a special installation 
>    addition.
> 
>  - talk about the index, and revel in it as a way to explain the staging 
>    area. This is what the old tutorial.txt did before it got simplified.
> 
> The "ignore the index" approach is the simple one to explain. It's 
> strictly less powerful, but hey, what else is new? 

Yeah, I do wonder what's likely to be the best approach for most users.
My goal with the new tutorial was to get a reader doing something fun
and useful as quickly as possible.  So it just refers elsewhere for any
discussion of the index file or SHA1 names.  But probably everyone needs
to pick up that stuff eventually anyway, and maybe it's better to get to
it a little sooner, I dunno.

Besides the git-add/git-commit thing, the other thing that caught me by
suprise was the behaviour of git reset.  I expected there to be an
"inverse" to git commit -a, meaning that

	1) the sequence
		git reset HEAD^
		git commit -a
	   would be a no-op, in the sense that the new commit would
	   get the same changes as the old one, and
	2) the sequence
		git commit -a
		git reset HEAD^
	   would be a no-op, in the sense that "git diff" would report
	   the same diff before and after.

But there isn't, and explaining how --soft and --mixed actually work
requires referring to the index file.

Is that something that can be fixed in the tools or does the user
fundamentally need to know about the index file to do this kind of
stuff?

--b.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-01-31 18:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-26  2:10 LCA06 Cogito/GIT workshop - (Re: git-whatchanged: exit out early on errors) Martin Langhoff
2006-01-28  4:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-28  5:33   ` Martin Langhoff
2006-01-28  5:53     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-28  6:32       ` Junio C Hamano
2006-01-29 10:12       ` Fredrik Kuivinen
2006-01-29 20:15         ` Junio C Hamano
2006-01-28 11:00     ` Keith Packard
2006-01-28 21:08       ` [Census] So who uses git? Junio C Hamano
2006-01-29  2:14         ` Morten Welinder
2006-01-29  3:53           ` Junio C Hamano
2006-01-29 14:19             ` Morten Welinder
2006-01-29 20:15               ` Junio C Hamano
2006-01-29 10:09         ` Keith Packard
2006-01-29 11:18           ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2006-01-29 18:12             ` Greg KH
2006-01-31 18:33               ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2006-01-31 19:50                 ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2006-01-31 20:43                   ` Junio C Hamano
2006-01-31 21:02                     ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2006-01-30 22:51             ` Alex Riesen
2006-01-31 21:25               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-31 21:52                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2006-01-31 22:01                 ` Alex Riesen
     [not found]                   ` <20060201013901.GA16832@mail.com>
2006-02-01  2:04                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01  2:09                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-09  5:15                         ` [PATCH] "Assume unchanged" git Junio C Hamano
2006-02-09  5:49                           ` [PATCH] "Assume unchanged" git: do not set CE_VALID with --refresh Junio C Hamano
2006-02-09  5:50                           ` [PATCH] ls-files: debugging aid for CE_VALID changes Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01  2:31                       ` [Census] So who uses git? Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01  3:43                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01  7:03                           ` Junio C Hamano
     [not found]                         ` <20060201045337.GC25753@mail.com>
2006-02-01  5:04                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01  5:42                           ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01 16:15                       ` Jason Riedy
2006-02-01 19:20                       ` Julian Phillips
2006-02-01 19:29                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-06 21:15                       ` Chuck Lever
2006-02-01  2:52                     ` Martin Langhoff
2006-02-01  3:48                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01 19:30                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-02-01 14:55                       ` Alex Riesen
2006-02-01 16:25                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-02  9:12                           ` Alex Riesen
2006-01-29 18:37         ` Dave Jones
2006-01-29 20:17           ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-01-29 20:29             ` Martin Langhoff
2006-01-30 15:23             ` Mike McCormack
2006-01-30 18:58         ` Carl Baldwin
2006-01-31 10:27           ` Johannes Schindelin
2006-01-31 15:24             ` Carl Baldwin
2006-01-31 15:31               ` Johannes Schindelin
2006-01-31 17:30             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-31 18:12               ` J. Bruce Fields [this message]
2006-01-31 19:33                 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-01-31 19:44                   ` Jon Loeliger
2006-01-31 19:52                     ` Junio C Hamano
     [not found]                     ` <7vd5i8w2nc.fsf@assigned-by-dhcp.cox.net>
2006-01-31 20:56                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2006-01-31 20:06                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2006-01-31 19:01               ` Keith Packard
2006-01-31 19:21                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-31 22:55                   ` Joel Becker
2006-02-01 14:43                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2006-01-31 20:56                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2006-01-31 22:21                   ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01 19:34               ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-01-31 23:16             ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-01-31 23:36               ` Petr Baudis
2006-01-31 23:47               ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01  0:38                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01  0:52                   ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01  2:19                   ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-02-01  6:42                   ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01  7:22                     ` Carl Worth
2006-02-01  8:26                       ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01  9:59                         ` Randal L. Schwartz
2006-02-01 20:48                           ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01 17:11                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01 17:18                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2006-02-01 20:27                       ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01 21:09                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01 21:34                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2006-02-01 21:59                           ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01 22:25                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2006-02-01 22:50                               ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-02 14:59                                 ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-02-01 22:35                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01 23:33                               ` Two ideas for improving git's user interface Carl Worth
2006-02-02  0:38                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-02  1:16                                   ` Carl Worth
2006-02-02  2:25                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-03 23:57                                       ` Carl Worth
2006-02-02  1:23                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-02  1:44                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-04  8:03                                     ` Alan Chandler
2006-02-04  8:25                                       ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-04  9:30                                         ` Alan Chandler
2006-02-04  0:20                                   ` Carl Worth
2006-02-04  2:08                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-06 23:42                                       ` Carl Worth
2006-02-02 12:31                                 ` Florian Weimer
2006-02-02 16:30                                 ` Carl Baldwin
2006-02-01 22:57                             ` [Census] So who uses git? Daniel Barkalow
2006-02-01 22:00                         ` Joel Becker
2006-02-01 19:32           ` H. Peter Anvin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-02-01  7:08 linux
2006-02-01  8:51 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-02-01 16:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-01 16:10 ` Alex Riesen
2006-02-01 21:27   ` linux

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