* RE: powernow-k8: out of sync on Athlon64 x2 3800+
@ 2006-02-02 0:05 shin, jacob
2006-02-02 6:37 ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-02 11:12 ` Niklas Edmundsson
0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: shin, jacob @ 2006-02-02 0:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cpufreq, linux-kernel
Cc: Langsdorf, Mark, Niklas Edmundsson, Andreas.Burghart, Andi Kleen
Hello,
I don't think this is a BIOS issue, but a kernel bug in the i386 tree. I believe this was recently discussed and hopefully fixed by Andi Kleen in the kernel mailing list:
http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/1/9/442
This is a critical bug especially for systems running AMD Dual-Core Processors on i386 kernel configuration w/ powernow-k8.
The reason for "powernow-k8 - out of sync" errors is because the cpufreq driver is not aware [or has the wrong idea] about which CPUs are tied together, because cpu_core_id and phy_proc_id data is wrong.
Now this is fairly harmless as Mark mentioned, but only on single socket Dual Core systems.
On a multi-socket multi-core system, it will result in something like: (2 dual-core Opterons)
cpu0:
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Nov 3 09:51 cpufreq
cpu1:
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Nov 3 09:51 cpufreq
cpu2:
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Nov 3 09:51 cpufreq -> ../../../../devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq
cpu3:
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Nov 3 09:51 cpufreq -> ../../../../devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq
In this configuration, the second processors will never be able to be managed by a governor.
I was wondering if anyone has already tested Andi's patch, if it successfully solves this problem, and if the patch has made it into the git yet.
Thanks,
-Jacob Shin
AMD, Inc.
On cpufreq-bounces@lists.linux.org.uk wrote:
>>> You'll get that message on an Athlon X2 if you're using an
>>> old version of the driver that doesn't fully support
>>> dual core or if your part is being reported to Linux as 2 single core parts.
>>>
>>> Neither of those should be happening with the 2.6.15.1 kernel.
>>
>> OK, seems we've really found a bug then.
>
> Yes, but it's a BIOS bug.
>
>>> Could you send me the results of `dmesg | grep powern` immediately
>>> after boot?
>>
>> Sure:
>> # dmesg|grep powern
>> powernow-k8: Found 2 AMD Athlon 64 / Opteron processors (version 1.50.4)
>> powernow-k8: 0 : fid 0xc (2000 MHz), vid 0x8 (1350 mV)
>> powernow-k8: 1 : fid 0xa (1800 MHz), vid 0xa (1300 mV)
>> powernow-k8: 2 : fid 0x2 (1000 MHz), vid 0x12 (1100 mV)
>> powernow-k8: 0 : fid 0xc (2000 MHz), vid 0x8 (1350 mV)
>> powernow-k8: 1 : fid 0xa (1800 MHz), vid 0xa (1300 mV)
>> powernow-k8: 2 : fid 0x2 (1000 MHz), vid 0x12 (1100 mV)
>
> You're using a driver that supports dual-core, but the BIOS
> is reporting the two cores as two separate processors.
> They've probably got the APICIDs misconfigured.
>
> I've reported it to FSC and I advise you to do the same.
>
>> powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0xc 0x2, vid 0x8 0x12
>> powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0x2 0xa, vid 0x12 0xa
>> powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0xa 0xc, vid 0xa 0x8
>> powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0xc 0x2, vid 0x8 0x12
>> powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0x2 0xc, vid 0x12 0x8
>> powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0xc 0x2, vid 0x8 0x12
>
> These messages are mostly harmless, by the way, but some
> people have seen system instability. I would enable
> pmtimer support as your clock source, but that's advisable
> when running a single dual-core anyway.
>
> -Mark Langsdorf
> AMD, Inc.
>
>
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* Re: powernow-k8: out of sync on Athlon64 x2 3800+
2006-02-02 0:05 powernow-k8: out of sync on Athlon64 x2 3800+ shin, jacob
@ 2006-02-02 6:37 ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-02 11:12 ` Niklas Edmundsson
1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Andi Kleen @ 2006-02-02 6:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: shin, jacob
Cc: cpufreq, linux-kernel, Langsdorf, Mark, Niklas Edmundsson,
Andreas.Burghart
On Thursday 02 February 2006 01:05, shin, jacob wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone has already tested Andi's patch, if it
> successfully solves this problem, and if the patch has made it into the git
> yet.
It's in 2.6.16-rc1. If you think it's critical I can propose it for 2.6.15
stable too.
-Andi
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* RE: powernow-k8: out of sync on Athlon64 x2 3800+
2006-02-02 0:05 powernow-k8: out of sync on Athlon64 x2 3800+ shin, jacob
@ 2006-02-02 11:12 ` Niklas Edmundsson
2006-02-02 11:12 ` Niklas Edmundsson
1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Niklas Edmundsson @ 2006-02-02 11:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: shin, jacob
Cc: cpufreq, Andreas.Burghart, Langsdorf, Mark, linux-kernel,
Andi Kleen
On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, shin, jacob wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I don't think this is a BIOS issue, but a kernel bug in the i386
> tree. I believe this was recently discussed and hopefully fixed by
> Andi Kleen in the kernel mailing list:
>
> http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/1/9/442
My symptoms are identical, so it's probably that bug. I guess my bug
report through FSC's official support channel will bounce eventually
then ;)
> This is a critical bug especially for systems running AMD Dual-Core
> Processors on i386 kernel configuration w/ powernow-k8.
>
> The reason for "powernow-k8 - out of sync" errors is because the
> cpufreq driver is not aware [or has the wrong idea] about which CPUs
> are tied together, because cpu_core_id and phy_proc_id data is
> wrong.
>
> Now this is fairly harmless as Mark mentioned, but only on single
> socket Dual Core systems.
It doesn't crash my machine, but it also doesn't seem capable to
really lower the clock frequency...
> I was wondering if anyone has already tested Andi's patch, if it
> successfully solves this problem, and if the patch has made it into
> the git yet.
I can give the patch a try if you feel that would help, albeit I
prefer not rebooting my workstation ;)
/Nikke
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@ 2006-02-02 11:12 ` Niklas Edmundsson
0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Niklas Edmundsson @ 2006-02-02 11:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: shin, jacob
Cc: cpufreq, linux-kernel, Langsdorf, Mark, Andreas.Burghart,
Andi Kleen
On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, shin, jacob wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I don't think this is a BIOS issue, but a kernel bug in the i386
> tree. I believe this was recently discussed and hopefully fixed by
> Andi Kleen in the kernel mailing list:
>
> http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/1/9/442
My symptoms are identical, so it's probably that bug. I guess my bug
report through FSC's official support channel will bounce eventually
then ;)
> This is a critical bug especially for systems running AMD Dual-Core
> Processors on i386 kernel configuration w/ powernow-k8.
>
> The reason for "powernow-k8 - out of sync" errors is because the
> cpufreq driver is not aware [or has the wrong idea] about which CPUs
> are tied together, because cpu_core_id and phy_proc_id data is
> wrong.
>
> Now this is fairly harmless as Mark mentioned, but only on single
> socket Dual Core systems.
It doesn't crash my machine, but it also doesn't seem capable to
really lower the clock frequency...
> I was wondering if anyone has already tested Andi's patch, if it
> successfully solves this problem, and if the patch has made it into
> the git yet.
I can give the patch a try if you feel that would help, albeit I
prefer not rebooting my workstation ;)
/Nikke
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* RE: powernow-k8: out of sync on Athlon64 x2 3800+
@ 2006-02-02 17:36 shin, jacob
0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: shin, jacob @ 2006-02-02 17:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andi Kleen
Cc: cpufreq, linux-kernel, Langsdorf, Mark, Niklas Edmundsson,
Andreas.Burghart
On Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:38 AM Andi Kleen wrote:
> It's in 2.6.16-rc1. If you think it's critical I can propose it for 2.6.15
> stable too.
Yes, please do propose it for 2.6.15 as well.
It is critical in my opinion. It affects all i386 kernel running AMD Dual-Core processors. It affects any code that relies on cpu_core_id and phys_proc_id data.
I believe the bug has been around since 2.6.13. I am surprised no one raised red flags until now. Maybe everyone using dual core processors migrated to x86_64. ;-)
Thanks Andi,
-Jacob Shin
AMD, Inc.
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* RE: powernow-k8: out of sync on Athlon64 x2 3800+
@ 2006-01-31 15:57 Langsdorf, Mark
0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Langsdorf, Mark @ 2006-01-31 15:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Niklas Edmundsson; +Cc: cpufreq
> > You'll get that message on an Athlon X2 if you're using an
> > old version of the driver that doesn't fully support
> > dual core or if your part is being reported to Linux as
> > 2 single core parts.
> >
> > Neither of those should be happening with the 2.6.15.1 kernel.
>
> OK, seems we've really found a bug then.
Yes, but it's a BIOS bug.
> > Could you send me the results of `dmesg | grep powern` immediately
> > after boot?
>
> Sure:
> # dmesg|grep powern
> powernow-k8: Found 2 AMD Athlon 64 / Opteron processors
> (version 1.50.4)
> powernow-k8: 0 : fid 0xc (2000 MHz), vid 0x8 (1350 mV)
> powernow-k8: 1 : fid 0xa (1800 MHz), vid 0xa (1300 mV)
> powernow-k8: 2 : fid 0x2 (1000 MHz), vid 0x12 (1100 mV)
> powernow-k8: 0 : fid 0xc (2000 MHz), vid 0x8 (1350 mV)
> powernow-k8: 1 : fid 0xa (1800 MHz), vid 0xa (1300 mV)
> powernow-k8: 2 : fid 0x2 (1000 MHz), vid 0x12 (1100 mV)
You're using a driver that supports dual-core, but the BIOS
is reporting the two cores as two separate processors.
They've probably got the APICIDs misconfigured.
I've reported it to FSC and I advise you to do the same.
> powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0xc 0x2, vid 0x8 0x12
> powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0x2 0xa, vid 0x12 0xa
> powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0xa 0xc, vid 0xa 0x8
> powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0xc 0x2, vid 0x8 0x12
> powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0x2 0xc, vid 0x12 0x8
> powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0xc 0x2, vid 0x8 0x12
These messages are mostly harmless, by the way, but some
people have seen system instability. I would enable
pmtimer support as your clock source, but that's advisable
when running a single dual-core anyway.
-Mark Langsdorf
AMD, Inc.
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* RE: powernow-k8: out of sync on Athlon64 x2 3800+
@ 2006-01-31 15:16 Langsdorf, Mark
2006-01-31 15:28 ` Niklas Edmundsson
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Langsdorf, Mark @ 2006-01-31 15:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Niklas Edmundsson, cpufreq
> We're getting errors like this in the kernel log:
> powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0xc 0x2, vid 0x8 0x12
> powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0x2 0xa, vid 0x12 0xa
> powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0xa 0xc, vid 0xa 0x8
> powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0xc 0x2, vid 0x8 0x12
>
> Looking at /proc/cpuinfo the CPU:s doesn't seem to change frequency,
> even though the sysfs cpufreq knobs says otherwise.
>
> Is this a known problem, or is there anything we can do to help
> debug/fix it?
>
> Kernel: kernel.org 2.6.15.1, 32bit SMP
> CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+
> Machine: Fujitsu-Siemens ESPRIMO P5600 (SiS761), latest BIOS.
>
> I'm not on the list so Cc replies to me.
You'll get that message on an Athlon X2 if you're using an
old version of the driver that doesn't fully support dual
core or if your part is being reported to Linux as 2
single core parts.
Neither of those should be happening with the 2.6.15.1 kernel.
Could you send me the results of `dmesg | grep powern`
immediately after boot?
-Mark Langsdorf
AMD, Inc.
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* RE: powernow-k8: out of sync on Athlon64 x2 3800+
2006-01-31 15:16 Langsdorf, Mark
@ 2006-01-31 15:28 ` Niklas Edmundsson
0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Niklas Edmundsson @ 2006-01-31 15:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Langsdorf, Mark; +Cc: cpufreq
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, Langsdorf, Mark wrote:
>> Kernel: kernel.org 2.6.15.1, 32bit SMP
>> CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+
>> Machine: Fujitsu-Siemens ESPRIMO P5600 (SiS761), latest BIOS.
>>
>> I'm not on the list so Cc replies to me.
>
> You'll get that message on an Athlon X2 if you're using an
> old version of the driver that doesn't fully support dual
> core or if your part is being reported to Linux as 2
> single core parts.
>
> Neither of those should be happening with the 2.6.15.1 kernel.
OK, seems we've really found a bug then.
> Could you send me the results of `dmesg | grep powern`
> immediately after boot?
Sure:
# dmesg|grep powern
powernow-k8: Found 2 AMD Athlon 64 / Opteron processors (version 1.50.4)
powernow-k8: 0 : fid 0xc (2000 MHz), vid 0x8 (1350 mV)
powernow-k8: 1 : fid 0xa (1800 MHz), vid 0xa (1300 mV)
powernow-k8: 2 : fid 0x2 (1000 MHz), vid 0x12 (1100 mV)
powernow-k8: 0 : fid 0xc (2000 MHz), vid 0x8 (1350 mV)
powernow-k8: 1 : fid 0xa (1800 MHz), vid 0xa (1300 mV)
powernow-k8: 2 : fid 0x2 (1000 MHz), vid 0x12 (1100 mV)
powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0xc 0x2, vid 0x8 0x12
powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0x2 0xa, vid 0x12 0xa
powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0xa 0xc, vid 0xa 0x8
powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0xc 0x2, vid 0x8 0x12
powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0x2 0xc, vid 0x12 0x8
powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0xc 0x2, vid 0x8 0x12
Just ask if there's more info that you need.
/Nikke
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* powernow-k8: out of sync on Athlon64 x2 3800+
@ 2006-01-31 15:00 Niklas Edmundsson
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From: Niklas Edmundsson @ 2006-01-31 15:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: cpufreq
Hi all!
We're getting errors like this in the kernel log:
powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0xc 0x2, vid 0x8 0x12
powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0x2 0xa, vid 0x12 0xa
powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0xa 0xc, vid 0xa 0x8
powernow-k8: error - out of sync, fix 0xc 0x2, vid 0x8 0x12
Looking at /proc/cpuinfo the CPU:s doesn't seem to change frequency,
even though the sysfs cpufreq knobs says otherwise.
Is this a known problem, or is there anything we can do to help
debug/fix it?
Kernel: kernel.org 2.6.15.1, 32bit SMP
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+
Machine: Fujitsu-Siemens ESPRIMO P5600 (SiS761), latest BIOS.
I'm not on the list so Cc replies to me.
/Nikke
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