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From: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>
To: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	ck@vds.kolivas.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: yield during swap prefetching
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 13:22:02 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200603081322.02306.kernel@kolivas.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1141784295.767.126.camel@mindpipe>

On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 01:18 pm, Lee Revell wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 13:12 +1100, Con Kolivas wrote:
> > On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 01:08 pm, Lee Revell wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 12:28 +1100, Con Kolivas wrote:
> > > > I can't distinguish between when cpu activity is important (game) and
> > > > when it is not (compile), and assuming worst case scenario and not
> > > > doing any swap prefetching is my intent. I could add cpu accounting
> > > > to prefetch_suitable() instead, but that gets rather messy and
> > > > yielding achieves the same endpoint.
> > >
> > > Shouldn't the game be running with RT priority or at least at a low
> > > nice value?
> >
> > No way. Games run nice 0 SCHED_NORMAL.
>
> Maybe this is a stupid/OT question (answer off list if you think so) but
> why not?  Isn't that the standard way of telling the scheduler that you
> have a realtime constraint?  It's how pro audio stuff works which I
> would think has similar RT requirements.
>
> How is the scheduler supposed to know to penalize a kernel compile
> taking 100% CPU but not a game using 100% CPU?

Because being a serious desktop operating system that we are (bwahahahaha) 
means the user should not have special privileges to run something as simple 
as a game. Games should not need special scheduling classes. We can always 
use 'nice' for a compile though. Real time audio is a completely different 
world to this. 

Cheers,
Con

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>
To: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	ck@vds.kolivas.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: yield during swap prefetching
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 13:22:02 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200603081322.02306.kernel@kolivas.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1141784295.767.126.camel@mindpipe>

On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 01:18 pm, Lee Revell wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 13:12 +1100, Con Kolivas wrote:
> > On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 01:08 pm, Lee Revell wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 12:28 +1100, Con Kolivas wrote:
> > > > I can't distinguish between when cpu activity is important (game) and
> > > > when it is not (compile), and assuming worst case scenario and not
> > > > doing any swap prefetching is my intent. I could add cpu accounting
> > > > to prefetch_suitable() instead, but that gets rather messy and
> > > > yielding achieves the same endpoint.
> > >
> > > Shouldn't the game be running with RT priority or at least at a low
> > > nice value?
> >
> > No way. Games run nice 0 SCHED_NORMAL.
>
> Maybe this is a stupid/OT question (answer off list if you think so) but
> why not?  Isn't that the standard way of telling the scheduler that you
> have a realtime constraint?  It's how pro audio stuff works which I
> would think has similar RT requirements.
>
> How is the scheduler supposed to know to penalize a kernel compile
> taking 100% CPU but not a game using 100% CPU?

Because being a serious desktop operating system that we are (bwahahahaha) 
means the user should not have special privileges to run something as simple 
as a game. Games should not need special scheduling classes. We can always 
use 'nice' for a compile though. Real time audio is a completely different 
world to this. 

Cheers,
Con

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Thread overview: 148+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-07 23:13 [PATCH] mm: yield during swap prefetching Con Kolivas
2006-03-07 23:13 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-07 23:26 ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-07 23:26   ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-07 23:32   ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-07 23:32     ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  0:05     ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-08  0:05       ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-08  0:51       ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  0:51         ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  1:11         ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-08  1:11           ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-08  1:12           ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  1:12             ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  1:19             ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  1:19               ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  1:23             ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-08  1:23               ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-08  1:28               ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  1:28                 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  2:08                 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08  2:08                   ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08  2:12                   ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  2:12                     ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  2:18                     ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08  2:18                       ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08  2:22                       ` Con Kolivas [this message]
2006-03-08  2:22                         ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  2:27                         ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08  2:27                           ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08  2:30                           ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  2:30                             ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  2:52                             ` [ck] " André Goddard Rosa
2006-03-08  2:52                               ` André Goddard Rosa
2006-03-08  3:03                               ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08  3:03                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08  3:05                               ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 21:07                                 ` Zan Lynx
2006-03-08 23:00                                   ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 23:48                                     ` Zan Lynx
2006-03-09  0:07                                       ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-09  3:13                                         ` Zan Lynx
2006-03-09  4:08                                           ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-09  4:54                                             ` Lee Revell
2006-03-09  4:54                                               ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08  7:51                 ` Jan Knutar
2006-03-08  7:51                   ` Jan Knutar
2006-03-08  8:39                   ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  8:39                     ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-09  8:57             ` Helge Hafting
2006-03-09  8:57               ` Helge Hafting
2006-03-09  9:08               ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-09  9:08                 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-09 22:44                 ` Peter Williams
2006-03-10  9:01                   ` [ck] " Andreas Mohr
2006-03-10  9:01                     ` Andreas Mohr
2006-03-10  9:11                     ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-10  9:11                       ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-10  0:58                 ` Peter Williams
2006-03-08 22:24       ` Pavel Machek
2006-03-08 22:24         ` Pavel Machek
2006-03-09  2:22         ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-09  2:22           ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-09  2:30           ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-09  2:30             ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-09  2:57             ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-09  2:57               ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-09  9:11               ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-09  9:11                 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 13:36     ` [ck] " Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 13:36       ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-17  9:06       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-17  9:06         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-17 10:46         ` interactive task starvation Mike Galbraith
2006-03-17 17:15           ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-20  7:09             ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-20 10:22               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-21  6:47               ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-21  7:51                 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21  9:13                   ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-21  9:14                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-21 11:15                       ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-21 11:18                         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-21 11:53                           ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 13:10                             ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 13:13                               ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 13:33                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 13:37                                   ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 13:44                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-21 13:45                                       ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 14:01                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 14:17                                           ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 15:20                                             ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 17:50                                               ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-22  4:18                                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 17:51                                               ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 13:38                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-21 13:48                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 12:07                           ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 12:59                             ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-21 13:24                               ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 13:53                                 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 14:17                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 14:19                                     ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 14:25                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-21 14:28                                         ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 14:30                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-21 14:28                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 14:30                                         ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 14:32                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-21 14:44                                             ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-21 14:52                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-29  3:01                                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-29  5:56                                                   ` Ray Lee
2006-03-29  6:16                                                     ` Lee Revell
2006-03-21 14:36                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 14:39                                             ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 14:39                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-21 18:39                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-03-21 19:32                                           ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-21 21:47                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-03-21 22:51                                 ` Peter Williams
2006-03-22  3:49                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-22  3:59                                     ` Peter Williams
2006-03-22 12:14                                     ` [interbench numbers] " Mike Galbraith
2006-03-22 20:27                                       ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-23  3:22                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-23  5:43                                           ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-23  5:53                                             ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-23 11:07                                               ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-24  0:21                                                 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-24  5:02                                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-24  5:04                                                     ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-17 12:38         ` [PATCH] sched: activate SCHED BATCH expired Con Kolivas
2006-03-17 13:07           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-17 13:26           ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-17 13:36             ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-17 13:46               ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-17 13:51                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-17 14:11                 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-17 14:59                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-17 13:47               ` [ck] " Andreas Mohr
2006-03-17 13:59                 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-17 14:06                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-08  8:48   ` [ck] Re: [PATCH] mm: yield during swap prefetching Andreas Mohr
2006-03-08  8:48     ` Andreas Mohr
2006-03-08  8:52     ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08  8:52       ` Con Kolivas

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