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From: DervishD <lkml@dervishd.net>
To: Rudolf Randal <rudolf.randal@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [future of drivers?] a proposal for binary drivers.
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 12:22:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060309112241.GC14004@DervishD> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a03c9a270603090242o713fbe36s895da175bc53140f@mail.gmail.com>

    Hi Rudolf :)

 * Rudolf Randal <rudolf.randal@gmail.com> dixit:
> I was wondering how many direct letters from lkml people have been
> written to vendors asking for cooperation with regard to specs,
> joint development or other solutions for open source drivers for
> their devices.

    Not exactly kernel related, but anyway: I wrote almost a month
ago to Menarini Diagnostics. They make glucometers, and the latest
model they sell can be connected to the PC with a special cable. Of
course, Windows.

    Since no Linux support is provided for this useful device, I did
an offer to Menarini: if they provided me with the cable and the
specs, I'll write a Linux driver and/or a Linux application to
support *their* product at no cost. I would do it for free because
I'm very interested in connecting my glucometer to my Linux box.

    I made clear that the driver and/or app would be GPL'd, but on
the other hand I made clear too that I won't release the specs they
would give me if they didn't want to (except of course those bits
exposed by the source code itself).

    I haven't got any answer from them. I can use other glucometer,
of course, but this one is, IMHO, the best one in the market and I
don't think any other vendor would give me specs for their products.

    And please note that I'm not talking about all the specifications
of the glucometer: they can keep secret the way the glucometer makes
the measurements, I don't give a heck about that. I only want the
*communication* specs, so I'm able to retrieve data from the
glucometer through the cable (which is USB, AFAIK, so probably it
won't need a new driver).

> I too feel strongly about oss and GPL - but the tone on this list
> (often) might be too much to handle for some people!

    Probably, but if I make something for free, I think I should have
the right to impose distribution conditions, and GPL restrictions
seem to be very reasonable to me: if you use my work, you cannot
avoid others using it, and if you make a modification of my work, you
cannot distribute a binary of that modified work without the source.

    For me, not getting an answer from a vendor is too much to
handle. Having to buy a cable myself and doing reverse engineering to
make something I own work with my operating system is too much to
handle.

    I don't know how much Menarini paid for the Windows version of
the software. Probably more than the entire Linux kernel will cost to
produce in its entire life. The cost of a Linux version for them will
be a cable and a PDF document of the communication specification,
which probably will be a known protocol. They don't want to do it
because: a) they don't understand a word of the open source movement
and how it can be used to save money; or b) they're so stupid,
stubborn and money avid that won't do anything that doesn't involve
money, even if the money goes out of their own pockets!

> Maybe request for an open discussion with some of these vendors
> would bring about some of their concerns over IP and other issues
> and could maybe even open up for some progress ??

    I utterly agree. The tone in this list may be "strong", but it is
an open list nonetheless and I think all Linux hackers out there will
be happy to hear from some vendor doing a cooperation offer.

    Up to this point, Menarini doesn't seem to be one of them,
though.

    Raúl Núñez de Arenas Coronado

-- 
Linux Registered User 88736 | http://www.dervishd.net
http://www.pleyades.net & http://www.gotesdelluna.net
It's my PC and I'll cry if I want to... RAmen!

  reply	other threads:[~2006-03-09 11:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-08  9:35 [future of drivers?] a proposal for binary drivers Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-08  9:51 ` Jan Knutar
2006-03-08 10:03   ` Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-08 10:23     ` Martin Mares
2006-03-08 14:34       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-03-08 11:11     ` Jan Knutar
2006-03-08 13:07       ` Diego Calleja
2006-03-09 15:17       ` Luke-Jr
2006-03-09 16:22         ` Phillip Susi
2006-03-09 16:56         ` Michael Concannon
2006-03-09  9:21     ` Helge Hafting
2006-03-10  8:03     ` Matthias Andree
2006-03-13 23:06     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-03-14  0:00       ` David Schwartz
2006-03-15  0:50       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-03-15  9:18         ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-03-08 19:41   ` Martin Michlmayr
2006-03-08  9:57 ` Xavier Bestel
2006-03-08 10:27 ` Al Viro
2006-03-08 10:52   ` Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-08 10:55     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-03-08 11:02       ` Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-14  3:02         ` Jon Masters
2006-03-14  3:35           ` sean
2006-03-14  3:35             ` sean
2006-03-08 11:40     ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2006-03-08 12:00       ` Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-09 15:32       ` Rik van Riel
2006-03-08 14:59     ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-08 21:54       ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-03-09  4:41       ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 10:02         ` Dave Airlie
2006-03-09 10:42           ` Rudolf Randal
2006-03-09 11:22             ` DervishD [this message]
2006-03-09 12:13               ` Andreas Mohr
2006-03-09 18:34               ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-03-10  8:19                 ` DervishD
2006-03-09 22:04           ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 11:41         ` Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker
2006-03-09 22:12           ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 15:13         ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-09 22:11           ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 23:30             ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-10  1:04               ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09  9:26     ` Helge Hafting
2006-03-09 15:09 ` Luke-Jr
2006-03-09 16:29   ` Phillip Susi
2006-03-09 16:49     ` Olivier Galibert
2006-03-09 17:33     ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-09 18:25       ` Xavier Bestel
2006-03-09 20:22         ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-09 21:32           ` marty fouts
2006-03-11  0:54           ` Eduard Bloch
2006-03-11  1:01             ` Jan Knutar
2006-03-11  9:16             ` DervishD
2006-03-11  9:52               ` Eduard Bloch
2006-03-11 11:43               ` David Schwartz
2006-03-11 12:07                 ` DervishD
2006-03-12 17:09                 ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-13  2:19                   ` David Schwartz
2006-03-13 16:16                     ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-13 21:57                       ` David Schwartz
2006-03-14 13:30                         ` Helge Hafting
2006-03-12  3:57             ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-13  5:16               ` David Schwartz
2006-03-13  5:25                 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-13  8:20                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-03-13 21:57                   ` David Schwartz
2006-03-14  8:24                     ` sean
2006-03-14  8:24                       ` sean
2006-03-14 10:46                         ` David Schwartz
2006-03-14 21:42                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-03-13  9:24                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-03-13 17:16                   ` Lee Revell
2006-03-13 22:08                     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-03-13 21:57                   ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 20:15       ` Phillip Susi
2006-03-09 21:30         ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-09 22:06           ` Lee Revell
2006-03-10  2:57           ` Phillip Susi
2006-03-10  4:25             ` David Schwartz
2006-03-09 22:21       ` David Schwartz
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-03-08 21:28 Tim Tassonis
2006-03-08 21:32 ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-03-09  0:20 ` Jan Knutar
2006-03-13 11:17   ` Helge Hafting
2006-03-13 15:19     ` Anshuman Gholap
2006-03-13 15:53       ` Dave Neuer
2006-03-13  6:02 Matt Reuther
2006-03-13  9:08 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-03-13 22:00 ` David Schwartz
2006-03-13 22:32   ` Lee Revell
2006-03-14  0:02     ` David Schwartz
2006-03-13 19:00 Tim Tassonis
2006-03-13 19:15 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-13 19:25   ` Tim Tassonis
2006-03-13 19:31     ` Lee Revell
2006-03-13 19:46       ` Tim Tassonis
2006-03-13 23:06   ` Bernd Petrovitsch

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