From: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
ck@vds.kolivas.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: yield during swap prefetching
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 13:30:13 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200603091330.14396.kernel@kolivas.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <440F9154.2080909@yahoo.com.au>
On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 01:22 pm, Nick Piggin wrote:
> Pavel Machek wrote:
> >On Út 07-03-06 16:05:15, Andrew Morton wrote:
> >>Why do you want that?
> >>
> >>If prefetch is doing its job then it will save the machine from a pile of
> >>major faults in the near future. The fact that the machine happens
> >
> >Or maybe not.... it is prefetch, it may prefetch wrongly, and you
> >definitely want it doing nothing when system is loaded.... It only
> >makes sense to prefetch when system is idle.
>
> Right. Prefetching is obviously going to have a very low work/benefit,
> assuming your page reclaim is working properly, because a) it doesn't
> deal with file pages, and b) it is doing work to reclaim pages that
> have already been deemed to be the least important.
>
> What it is good for is working around our interesting VM that apparently
> allows updatedb to swap everything out (although I haven't seen this
> problem myself), and artificial memory hogs. By moving work to times of
> low cost. No problem with the theory behind it.
>
> So as much as a major fault costs in terms of performance, the tiny
> chance that prefetching will avoid it means even the CPU usage is
> questionable. Using sched_yield() seems like a hack though.
Yeah it's a hack alright. Funny how at last I find a place where yield does
exactly what I want and because we hate yield so much noone wants me to use
it all.
Cheers,
Con
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From: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
ck@vds.kolivas.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: yield during swap prefetching
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 13:30:13 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200603091330.14396.kernel@kolivas.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <440F9154.2080909@yahoo.com.au>
On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 01:22 pm, Nick Piggin wrote:
> Pavel Machek wrote:
> >On Ut 07-03-06 16:05:15, Andrew Morton wrote:
> >>Why do you want that?
> >>
> >>If prefetch is doing its job then it will save the machine from a pile of
> >>major faults in the near future. The fact that the machine happens
> >
> >Or maybe not.... it is prefetch, it may prefetch wrongly, and you
> >definitely want it doing nothing when system is loaded.... It only
> >makes sense to prefetch when system is idle.
>
> Right. Prefetching is obviously going to have a very low work/benefit,
> assuming your page reclaim is working properly, because a) it doesn't
> deal with file pages, and b) it is doing work to reclaim pages that
> have already been deemed to be the least important.
>
> What it is good for is working around our interesting VM that apparently
> allows updatedb to swap everything out (although I haven't seen this
> problem myself), and artificial memory hogs. By moving work to times of
> low cost. No problem with the theory behind it.
>
> So as much as a major fault costs in terms of performance, the tiny
> chance that prefetching will avoid it means even the CPU usage is
> questionable. Using sched_yield() seems like a hack though.
Yeah it's a hack alright. Funny how at last I find a place where yield does
exactly what I want and because we hate yield so much noone wants me to use
it all.
Cheers,
Con
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2006-03-07 23:13 [PATCH] mm: yield during swap prefetching Con Kolivas
2006-03-07 23:13 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-07 23:26 ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-07 23:26 ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-07 23:32 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-07 23:32 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 0:05 ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-08 0:05 ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-08 0:51 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 0:51 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 1:11 ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-08 1:11 ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-08 1:12 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 1:12 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 1:19 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 1:19 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 1:23 ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-08 1:23 ` Andrew Morton
2006-03-08 1:28 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 1:28 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 2:08 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08 2:08 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08 2:12 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 2:12 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 2:18 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08 2:18 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08 2:22 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 2:22 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 2:27 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08 2:27 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08 2:30 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 2:30 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 2:52 ` [ck] " André Goddard Rosa
2006-03-08 2:52 ` André Goddard Rosa
2006-03-08 3:03 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08 3:03 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08 3:05 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 21:07 ` Zan Lynx
2006-03-08 23:00 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 23:48 ` Zan Lynx
2006-03-09 0:07 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-09 3:13 ` Zan Lynx
2006-03-09 4:08 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-09 4:54 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-09 4:54 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-08 7:51 ` Jan Knutar
2006-03-08 7:51 ` Jan Knutar
2006-03-08 8:39 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 8:39 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-09 8:57 ` Helge Hafting
2006-03-09 8:57 ` Helge Hafting
2006-03-09 9:08 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-09 9:08 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-09 22:44 ` Peter Williams
2006-03-10 9:01 ` [ck] " Andreas Mohr
2006-03-10 9:01 ` Andreas Mohr
2006-03-10 9:11 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-10 9:11 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-10 0:58 ` Peter Williams
2006-03-08 22:24 ` Pavel Machek
2006-03-08 22:24 ` Pavel Machek
2006-03-09 2:22 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-09 2:22 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-09 2:30 ` Con Kolivas [this message]
2006-03-09 2:30 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-09 2:57 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-09 2:57 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-09 9:11 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-09 9:11 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 13:36 ` [ck] " Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 13:36 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-17 9:06 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-17 9:06 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-17 10:46 ` interactive task starvation Mike Galbraith
2006-03-17 17:15 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-20 7:09 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-20 10:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-21 6:47 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-21 7:51 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 9:13 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-21 9:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-21 11:15 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-21 11:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-21 11:53 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 13:10 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 13:13 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 13:33 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 13:37 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 13:44 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-21 13:45 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 14:01 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 14:17 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 15:20 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 17:50 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-22 4:18 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 17:51 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 13:38 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-21 13:48 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 12:07 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 12:59 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-21 13:24 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 13:53 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 14:17 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 14:19 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 14:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-21 14:28 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 14:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-21 14:28 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 14:30 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 14:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-21 14:44 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-21 14:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-29 3:01 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-29 5:56 ` Ray Lee
2006-03-29 6:16 ` Lee Revell
2006-03-21 14:36 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-21 14:39 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-21 14:39 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-21 18:39 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-03-21 19:32 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-03-21 21:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-03-21 22:51 ` Peter Williams
2006-03-22 3:49 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-22 3:59 ` Peter Williams
2006-03-22 12:14 ` [interbench numbers] " Mike Galbraith
2006-03-22 20:27 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-23 3:22 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-23 5:43 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-23 5:53 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-23 11:07 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-24 0:21 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-24 5:02 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-03-24 5:04 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-17 12:38 ` [PATCH] sched: activate SCHED BATCH expired Con Kolivas
2006-03-17 13:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-17 13:26 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-17 13:36 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-17 13:46 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-17 13:51 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-17 14:11 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-17 14:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-03-17 13:47 ` [ck] " Andreas Mohr
2006-03-17 13:59 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-17 14:06 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-08 8:48 ` [ck] Re: [PATCH] mm: yield during swap prefetching Andreas Mohr
2006-03-08 8:48 ` Andreas Mohr
2006-03-08 8:52 ` Con Kolivas
2006-03-08 8:52 ` Con Kolivas
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