From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932144AbWDYI2l (ORCPT ); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:28:41 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932136AbWDYI2l (ORCPT ); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:28:41 -0400 Received: from zeniv.linux.org.uk ([195.92.253.2]:7309 "EHLO ZenIV.linux.org.uk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751431AbWDYI2g (ORCPT ); Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:28:36 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:28:23 +0100 From: Al Viro To: Neil Brown Cc: Stephen Smalley , Chris Wright , James Morris , Arjan van de Ven , Andi Kleen , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/11] security: AppArmor - Overview Message-ID: <20060425082823.GD27946@ftp.linux.org.uk> References: <1145470463.3085.86.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <1145522524.3023.12.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <20060420192717.GA3828@sorel.sous-sol.org> <1145621926.21749.29.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> <20060421173008.GB3061@sorel.sous-sol.org> <1145642853.21749.232.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> <17484.20906.122444.964025@cse.unsw.edu.au> <1145911526.14804.71.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> <17485.55676.177514.848509@cse.unsw.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <17485.55676.177514.848509@cse.unsw.edu.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 06:10:36PM +1000, Neil Brown wrote: > I have a knife with which to eat my dinner, but the moment I move > it more than 10cm from my plate, a robotic hand reaches out and > immobilised my hand and hence the knife. Who is being protected? > > Not me I guess, because the sinful desire to kill has already taken > over my brain, though maybe I am being protected from life in prison > for murder. ... unless you figure out that knife can be thrown and 20cm + diameter of plate might be enough of a swing to send it in the right direction with the right angular momentum...