From: Patrick McFarland <diablod3@gmail.com>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Peter Jones <pjones@redhat.com>, Martin Mares <mj@ucw.cz>,
Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@gmail.com>,
Matthew Garrett <mgarrett@chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
Bjorn Helgaas <bjorn.helgaas@hp.com>,
linux-pci@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz,
Dave Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
greg@kroah.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Add a "enable" sysfs attribute to the pci devices to allow userspace (Xorg) to enable devices without doing foul direct access
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 20:57:40 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200605132057.42773.diablod3@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1147566572.21291.30.camel@localhost.localdomain>
On Saturday 13 May 2006 20:29, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> a long post.
So, why do we insist on keeping legacy hardware around? I mean, serial and
parallel ports are basically dead, as are ps/2 ports (USB killed them all).
VGA basically died out when DVI came around. Traditional IA32 is now dying
out thanks to x86-64. The basic internals have been surplanted by APIC. We
have a power management API, ACPI, which was unheard of on x86 15 years ago.
IDE is dying out, being replaced with SATA. Old SCSI methods are being
replaced with Serial SCSI. I mean, I could basically go on for hours saying
that pretty much all legacy hardware and methods are being replaced or have
already been replaced.
Even the traditional IBM PC BIOS is being replaced, by various new firmware
logic methods (such as openfirmware on x86, or intel's one who's name I
forget.)
So, why do we continue keeping VGA around? Why isn't there a better method?
Benjamin's post basically describes a technology that has been hacked to hell
and back and has been around entirely too long, so why hasn't someone created
something new?
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Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-04-29 8:46 Add a "enable" sysfs attribute to the pci devices to allow userspace (Xorg) to enable devices without doing foul direct access Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-29 8:51 ` Andrew Morton
2006-04-29 8:59 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-29 9:04 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-02 16:14 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2006-05-02 16:21 ` Greg KH
2006-05-02 16:51 ` Jesse Barnes
2006-05-04 19:09 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2006-05-04 19:11 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-04 19:26 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2006-05-04 19:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-05-04 20:40 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-04 21:05 ` Peter Jones
2006-05-04 21:17 ` Martin Mares
2006-05-04 21:29 ` Peter Jones
2006-05-04 21:37 ` Martin Mares
2006-05-04 21:38 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-04 23:22 ` Peter Jones
2006-05-05 19:20 ` Ian Romanick
2006-05-05 20:14 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-05 20:26 ` Greg KH
2006-05-05 20:35 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-05 20:43 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-05 21:10 ` Greg KH
2006-05-05 21:06 ` Greg KH
2006-05-05 21:15 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-05 22:27 ` Greg KH
2006-05-06 0:05 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-06 1:57 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-06 3:39 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-06 12:42 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-05-06 13:08 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-06 18:10 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-05-06 18:24 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-06 23:16 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-05-07 5:56 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-05-07 12:05 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-05-07 19:07 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-05-08 0:03 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-05-07 13:12 ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-08 14:26 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-05-08 14:54 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-08 4:06 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-08 5:27 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-07 8:54 ` Adam Belay
2006-05-14 0:29 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-05-14 0:56 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-14 23:57 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-05-15 0:14 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-14 0:57 ` Patrick McFarland [this message]
2006-05-14 1:11 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-04 21:18 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-04 21:38 ` Peter Jones
2006-05-04 21:48 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-04 21:57 ` Peter Jones
2006-05-04 22:05 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-04 19:49 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-15 2:10 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-05-02 16:38 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-02 16:45 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-02 16:59 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-02 17:00 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-02 17:13 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-02 18:27 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-02 19:00 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-02 19:29 ` Peter Jones
2006-05-02 21:40 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-02 21:52 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-02 23:36 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-03 0:19 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-05-03 0:26 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-03 1:24 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-03 1:30 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-03 6:02 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-03 13:23 ` Jon Smirl
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