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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
To: Sanjoy Mahajan <sanjoy@mrao.cam.ac.uk>
Cc: trenn@suse.de, "Yu, Luming" <luming.yu@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
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	Meelis Roos <mroos@linux.ee>,
	Carl-Daniel Hailfinger <c-d.hailfinger.devel.2006@gmx.net>
Subject: Re: 2.6.16-rc5: known regressions [TP 600X S3, vanilla DSDT]
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:55:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060522095531.GC25624@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1FhbYy-0005jL-00@skye.ra.phy.cam.ac.uk>

Hi!

> > https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=173420
> 
> >From Comment #30 at the above url: "The Linux ACPI code seems to
> actively prevent the fan from running and that worries me."
> 
> I saw that as well, and found the following recipe would work around
> the problem:
> 
> 1. Set the trip point to, say, 70 C -- well above the actual
>    temperature.
> 
> 2. Then set the trip to anything reasonable that's under the current
>    temperature (27 C always works).  Now the fan turns on, and behaves
>    fine from then.
> 
> My explanation is that, before step 1, the fan is off but the OS
> thinks it's on.  So the dialogue goes something like:
> 
> Hardware (from EC or BIOS?): Ack, I'm overheating, turn on the fan now!
> OS: There, there, take it easy.  I've checked bit fields in my
>      memory, and the fan is on.  So I don't have to do anything.
> Hardware: Ack, ...
> OS: There, there, ...
> [Hence the 100% kacpid CPU usage]
> 
> Based on this explanation, I added a resume method to the fan driver.
> It would turn on the fan and mark it as on.  So then the internal OS
> state matched the actual state.  The fix didn't work for at least one
> reason: ACPI drivers didn't have suspend/resume methods (though now
> there are test patches to add those methods).

Can you redo your patches with those methods?

> Another fix, probably worth doing anyway, is to turn on the fan if the
> BIOS asks for it, whether or not the OS thinks it's on.  The chance of
> the two pieces of information getting out of synch, and the hardware
> damage it can cause, is enough to make it worthwhile.  The reverse

There should be 0% hardware damage chance. Fan failure means overheats
mean emergency power cutoff. I even tested it with paper into fan
blades several times. It mostly works.
								Pavel
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-05-22  9:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-02-27  9:04 2.6.16-rc5: known regressions Yu, Luming
2006-02-27  9:04 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-03  2:59 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-03 16:51   ` Matthew Garrett
2006-03-03 21:04     ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-10  5:26 ` 2.6.16-rc5: known regressions [TP 600X S3, vanilla DSDT] Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-05-19 13:44   ` Thomas Renninger
2006-05-21  0:12     ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-05-21  0:40       ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2006-05-21  1:30         ` Joshua Hudson
2006-05-21  3:53           ` Lee Revell
2006-05-22  9:55       ` Pavel Machek [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-03-10  6:12 Yu, Luming
2006-03-10  6:12 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-10  6:27 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-10  6:46 Yu, Luming
2006-03-10  6:46 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-10 13:27 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-10 13:36 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-13  2:00 Yu, Luming
2006-03-13  2:00 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-13  4:38 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-13  4:51 Yu, Luming
2006-03-13  4:51 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-13  7:28 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-13  8:35 Yu, Luming
2006-03-13  8:35 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-13 15:21 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-14  1:48 Yu, Luming
2006-03-14  1:48 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-14  8:28 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-15  1:46 Yu, Luming
2006-03-15  1:46 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-15  5:40 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-15  5:57 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-15  6:16 Yu, Luming
2006-03-15  6:16 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-15  6:35 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-15  6:25 Yu, Luming
2006-03-15  6:25 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-15  6:47 Yu, Luming
2006-03-15  6:47 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-15  7:06 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-15  8:02 Yu, Luming
2006-03-15  8:02 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-16  0:03 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-16  5:47 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-16  6:46 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-16  6:41 Yu, Luming
2006-03-16  6:41 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-16  6:54 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-16  7:14 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-16  7:28 Yu, Luming
2006-03-16  7:28 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-16  7:57 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-16  8:18 Yu, Luming
2006-03-16  8:18 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-16 15:15 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-17  1:17 Yu, Luming
2006-03-17  1:17 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-17  6:28 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-17  6:57 Yu, Luming
2006-03-17  6:57 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-17  7:11 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-17  7:32 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-17  7:50 Yu, Luming
2006-03-17  7:50 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-17 18:43 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-18  2:02 Yu, Luming
2006-03-18  2:02 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-18  7:23 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-18 13:24 Yu, Luming
2006-03-18 13:24 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-18 14:37 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-18 15:10 Yu, Luming
2006-03-18 15:10 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-18 15:48 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-18 15:58 Yu, Luming
2006-03-18 15:58 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-18 16:27 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-18 16:37 Yu, Luming
2006-03-18 16:37 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-18 17:03 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-18 17:08 Yu, Luming
2006-03-18 17:08 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-18 20:12 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-19  4:12 Yu, Luming
2006-03-19  4:12 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-19 14:33 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-20  6:39 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-21  1:38 Yu, Luming
2006-03-21  1:38 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-21  7:27 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-21  8:47 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-21  9:11 Yu, Luming
2006-03-21  9:11 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-21 20:37 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-21 22:09 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-22  1:30 Yu, Luming
2006-03-22  1:30 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-22  4:35 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-22  7:15 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-22  1:34 Yu, Luming
2006-03-22  1:34 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-22  7:00 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-22  4:58 Yu, Luming
2006-03-22  4:58 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-22  5:13 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-24  1:17 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-22  7:28 Yu, Luming
2006-03-22  7:28 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-22 14:16 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-23  4:46 Yu, Luming
2006-03-23  4:46 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-23  6:25 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-23  9:10 Yu, Luming
2006-03-23  9:10 ` Yu, Luming
2006-03-23 19:19 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-03-24  1:31 Yu, Luming
2006-03-24  1:31 ` Yu, Luming
2006-04-04  6:49 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-04-05  3:03 Yu, Luming
2006-04-05  3:03 ` Yu, Luming
2006-05-23 13:29 Yu, Luming
2006-05-23 13:29 ` Yu, Luming
2006-05-23 17:12 ` Sanjoy Mahajan

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