From: "D. Hazelton" <dhazelton@enter.net>
To: Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>
Cc: Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@gmail.com>,
Manu Abraham <abraham.manu@gmail.com>,
linux cbon <linuxcbon@yahoo.fr>,
Helge Hafting <helge.hafting@aitel.hist.no>,
Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: OpenGL-based framebuffer concepts
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 23:27:49 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200605232327.50468.dhazelton@enter.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6896241F-3389-4B20-9E42-3CCDDBFDD312@mac.com>
On Wednesday 24 May 2006 00:10, Kyle Moffett wrote:
> On May 23, 2006, at 13:17:18, Jon Smirl wrote:
> >> By implementing a framework where userspace doesn't have to know -
> >> or care - about the hardware, which, IMNSHO, is the way things
> >> should be, then userspace applications can take advantage of such
> >> a system and be even more stable.
> >
> > A true monolithic design doesn't really work for video hardware. In
> > the monolithic model all devices in a class present a uniform API.
> > The better design for GPUs is the exo-kernel model. DRM already
> > uses the exo-kernel model. With exokernels each driver presents a
> > unique API and userspace libraries are used to provide a uniform API.
>
> The one really significant potential problem with the exo-kernel
> model for graphics is that the kernel *must* have a stable way to
> display kernel panics regardless of current video mode, framebuffer
> settings, 3D rendering, etc. The kernel driver should be able to
> provide some fundamental operations for compositing text on top of
> the framebuffer at the primary viewport regardless of whatever
> changes userspace makes to the GPU configuration. We don't have this
> now, but I see it as an absolute requirement for any replacement
> graphics system. This means that the kernel driver should be able to
> understand and modify the entire GPU state to the extent necessary
> for such a text console.
For this it's not trivial, but seems to be, on the surface, rather easy to
accomplish.
Since the driver is controlling all aspects of the system - memory and the
like - and doing DMA to/from that memory for userspace accesses why not use
one of the built-in framebuffer fonts and draw the panic directly to the
video memory of the current screen?
Of course there are some times when this might not be possible - most notably
during a display mode switch. In that case I have no solutions, because when
a Panic happens you have no guarantees about the state of the system.
Perhaps have the video-hardware re-initialized on a kexec after the panic and
provide some way for the new kernel to display the panic information?
DRH
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-05-24 3:28 UTC|newest]
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2006-05-16 21:41 replacing X Window System ! linux cbon
2006-05-16 21:51 ` Michal Piotrowski
2006-05-16 21:57 ` Måns Rullgård
2006-05-16 23:23 ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-05-16 22:19 ` alan
2006-05-16 22:42 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-16 23:05 ` alan
2006-05-17 11:47 ` linux cbon
2006-05-17 12:18 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-17 12:39 ` linux cbon
2006-05-17 13:19 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-17 14:10 ` Panagiotis Issaris
2006-05-17 14:19 ` Ondrej Zary
2006-05-17 14:23 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-05-17 14:46 ` Bob Copeland
2006-05-17 13:24 ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-05-17 13:46 ` Bob Copeland
2006-05-17 14:01 ` Michal Piotrowski
2006-05-17 13:39 ` Jesper Juhl
2006-05-17 14:53 ` linux cbon
2006-05-17 15:09 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-17 15:14 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-17 15:30 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-05-17 16:29 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-17 15:53 ` linux cbon
2006-05-17 16:09 ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-05-17 16:12 ` Stas Myasnikov
2006-05-17 15:16 ` Alan Cox
2006-05-17 15:49 ` linux cbon
2006-05-17 16:11 ` Stas Myasnikov
2006-05-17 17:52 ` Gábor Lénárt
2006-05-17 17:17 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2006-05-17 17:33 ` grundig
2006-05-18 15:42 ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-05-18 18:40 ` grundig
2006-05-18 12:00 ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-18 17:28 ` linux cbon
2006-05-18 18:42 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-18 18:52 ` Thierry Vignaud
2006-05-18 19:31 ` linux cbon
2006-05-18 19:37 ` David Lang
2006-05-18 20:12 ` Gerhard Mack
2006-05-18 22:22 ` linux cbon
2006-05-19 9:09 ` Martin Mares
2006-05-18 20:12 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-05-18 21:47 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-18 22:03 ` linux cbon
2006-05-18 22:23 ` Al Viro
2006-05-21 14:56 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2006-05-19 9:26 ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-19 11:08 ` Panagiotis Issaris
2006-05-19 13:07 ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-19 14:34 ` David Greaves
2006-05-19 14:40 ` Xavier Bestel
2006-05-19 15:13 ` linux cbon
2006-05-19 15:18 ` Xavier Bestel
2006-05-19 22:09 ` linux cbon
2006-05-19 22:51 ` Peter Gordon
2006-05-21 20:49 ` Xavier Bestel
2006-05-20 0:43 ` Jeff Carr
2006-05-19 15:01 ` Sander
2006-05-19 22:29 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-19 22:34 ` David Lang
2006-05-19 22:20 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-19 22:40 ` linux cbon
2006-05-20 1:02 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-05-20 6:31 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-05-20 8:25 ` jerome lacoste
2006-05-21 6:16 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-21 12:17 ` linux cbon
2006-05-21 6:38 ` Manu Abraham
2006-05-23 5:08 ` OpenGL-based framebuffer concepts Kyle Moffett
2006-05-23 0:48 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-23 17:17 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-23 22:57 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-05-23 23:38 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-23 23:24 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24 4:21 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-24 0:42 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24 4:57 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-24 1:04 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24 14:30 ` Chase Venters
2006-05-24 13:32 ` Paulo Marques
2006-05-24 6:39 ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-24 13:17 ` Stefan Seyfried
2006-05-24 22:08 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-05-24 22:09 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24 22:41 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-24 1:50 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-24 7:30 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-05-24 0:10 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-05-23 23:27 ` D. Hazelton [this message]
2006-05-24 0:24 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-24 7:03 ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-24 13:55 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2006-05-24 14:49 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-24 14:56 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2006-05-24 16:15 ` Matheus Izvekov
2006-05-24 16:26 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2006-05-24 16:32 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-26 4:57 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2006-05-26 2:09 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-26 7:12 ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-24 16:42 ` Matheus Izvekov
2006-05-24 17:34 ` Xavier Bestel
2006-05-26 7:05 ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-26 7:59 ` Xavier Bestel
2006-05-26 6:58 ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-24 22:03 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-26 7:08 ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-26 8:32 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2006-05-26 10:58 ` Helge Hafting
2006-05-26 11:06 ` Xavier Bestel
2006-05-24 15:41 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2006-05-23 10:11 ` Alan Cox
2006-05-23 10:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-23 14:10 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-05-23 14:43 ` Alan Cox
2006-05-23 15:41 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-05-23 16:53 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <9b5164430605231015s40ebcd38had1c3029da8afc7@mail.gmail.com>
2006-05-23 17:21 ` Xiong Jiang
2006-05-24 12:47 ` Alan Cox
2006-05-23 23:31 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-23 15:52 ` Rene Rebe
2006-05-23 23:41 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24 4:48 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-24 5:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-23 23:38 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24 4:08 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-24 0:17 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24 5:14 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-24 1:30 ` D. Hazelton
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2006-05-24 2:11 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-26 17:53 ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-27 18:03 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-24 15:27 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-24 23:18 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-24 23:56 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-25 0:31 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-25 0:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-25 2:37 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-25 8:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-25 14:04 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-25 15:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-25 15:37 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-25 23:04 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-25 23:17 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-25 23:31 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-25 23:19 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-25 23:48 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-25 15:57 ` Paulo Marques
2006-05-25 18:01 ` Alan Cox
2006-05-26 11:26 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-05-25 16:13 ` Greg KH
2006-05-26 17:39 ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-27 18:01 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-28 0:03 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-27 22:13 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-28 2:34 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-27 22:45 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-28 3:27 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-28 1:12 ` D. Hazelton
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2006-05-28 23:16 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-29 3:43 ` Dave Airlie
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2006-05-29 0:25 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-29 4:58 ` Neil Brown
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2006-05-29 5:14 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-29 2:09 ` D. Hazelton
2006-05-29 5:28 ` Neil Brown
2006-05-29 7:14 ` Dave Airlie
2006-05-31 21:42 ` Jan Engelhardt
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2006-06-01 11:51 ` Marko M
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2006-05-30 17:44 ` David Lang
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2006-05-29 22:10 ` Jon Smirl
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[not found] ` <441e43c90605291936t19caa0eat4bd4b699e0ac9202@mail.gmail.com>
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2006-05-30 23:01 ` Dave Airlie
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2006-05-30 23:14 ` D. Hazelton
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2006-06-01 0:50 ` Antonino A. Daplas
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2006-06-01 23:00 ` Andrew Morton
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2006-06-02 9:05 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-02 9:03 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-02 1:15 ` Dave Airlie
2006-06-02 2:18 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-01 22:34 ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-02 2:58 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-01 23:01 ` D. Hazelton
2006-06-02 3:16 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-02 0:34 ` D. Hazelton
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2006-06-02 0:35 ` D. Hazelton
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2006-06-02 6:19 ` Dave Airlie
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2006-05-30 23:38 ` Pavel Machek
2006-05-30 23:55 ` Jon Smirl
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2006-05-31 0:00 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-05-31 0:47 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-31 1:23 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-05-31 2:34 ` Jon Smirl
2006-05-18 20:27 ` replacing X Window System ! D. Hazelton
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2006-05-16 23:10 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
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