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From: "Michael Kerrisk" <michael.kerrisk@gmx.net>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: mtk-manpages@gmx.net, mtk-lkml@gmx.net, rlove@rlove.org,
	roland@redhat.com, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, torvalds@osdl.org,
	tytso@mit.edu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	manfred@colorfullife.com, drepper@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Strange Linux behaviour with blocking syscalls and stop signals+SIGCONT
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 10:02:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060707080212.186780@gmx.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1152256856.3111.20.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org>

Von: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>

> 
> > There must be some framework for changing the kernel ABI over time.
> > We can't remain forever stuck with an ABI behaviour because 
> > of the development model (i.e., no 2.7/2.8). 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> this has nothing to do with the development model. 

Doh!  yes, thanks for pointing that out.

> The userspace syscall
> ABI *has* to be stable. If we make a mistake that's a high price but we
> pay it. This fwiw is one of the reasons we are/should be very careful
> with adding system calls, and make sure the behavior is indeed right.
> It's also the reason we're not so happy about new ioctls; they're
> effectively mini-system calls with the same ABI issues, but just less
> controlled/reviewed/designed/visible.

Yes.  

There have been ABI changes in the past.  In the end, I assume 
it's a question of relative desirability ("how broken is existing 
behaviour"; or: "was that behaviour ever desirable/portable 
anyway?") versus relative likelihood of breaking applications.

Cheers,

Michael
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  reply	other threads:[~2006-07-07  8:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-07-03 14:46 Strange Linux behaviour with blocking syscalls and stop signals+SIGCONT Michael Kerrisk
2006-07-04 19:02 ` Manfred Spraul
2006-07-06  9:23   ` Michael Kerrisk
2006-07-06 18:42     ` Manfred Spraul
2006-07-06 18:55       ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-06 19:02         ` Manfred Spraul
2006-07-06 19:10           ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-06 19:18           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-06 19:28             ` Manfred Spraul
2006-07-06 19:29               ` Manfred Spraul
2006-07-07  4:57             ` Michael Kerrisk
2006-07-07  5:10               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-07  5:12                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-07 19:43             ` angelo.borsotti
2006-07-07  4:32         ` Michael Kerrisk
2006-07-07  4:57           ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-07  5:07             ` Michael Kerrisk
2006-07-07  6:20               ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-07  7:03                 ` Michael Kerrisk
2006-07-07  7:20                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-07  8:02                     ` Michael Kerrisk [this message]
2006-07-07  9:26                       ` Jakub Jelinek
2006-07-07 13:36                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-07  4:28       ` Michael Kerrisk

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