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From: Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: vatsa@in.ibm.com, mingo@elte.hu, nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au,
	sam@vilain.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dev@openvz.org,
	efault@gmx.de, balbir@in.ibm.com, sekharan@us.ibm.com,
	nagar@watson.ibm.com, haveblue@us.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [RFC, PATCH 0/5] Going forward with Resource Management - A cpu controller
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:58:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060803225842.cdc457b1.pj@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060803223650.423f2e6a.akpm@osdl.org>

Andrew wrote:
> And now we've dumped the good infrastructure and instead we've contentrated
> on the controller, wired up via some imaginative ab^H^Hreuse of the cpuset
> layer.

Odd ... I'm usually fairly keen to notice any use or abuse of cpuset stuff.

I didn't see any mention of 'cpuset' in:
  http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0607.3/0896.html

I -do- see there:
 * non-hierarchical,
 * can't move tasks and
 * syscall rather than file system API.

This all sounds like the polar antithesis of cpusets to me.

What did I miss, Andrew?


Before seeing your response, I was inclined to suggest that:
 1) containers should have a good infrastructure, from the get go
    (you just said the same thing of CKRM, as I read it), and
 2) containers -should- look at a hierarchical pseudo file system
    for this, as that seems like the 'natural' shape for
    containers to take.
 3) the syscall API, no hierarchy, 'simple' interface style
    suggested for containers in the above notes sounded like
    a really bad idea to me.

However, I was thinking of 'containers' when I thought this,
not of CKRM.  And I haven't considered CKRM's infrastructure
in recent times.  From what you say, it's worthy of serious
consideration now - good.

Perhaps (wild idea here) if 'containers' did lead us to looking
for a hierarchical pseudo file system interface, we could make
this common technology that both containers and the existing
cpusets could use, avoiding duplicating a chunk of vfs-aware
generic code that's now in kernel/cpuset.c to provide the file
system style interface.  Cpusets would keep their existing API,
just share some generic vfs-aware code with these new containers.

-- 
                  I won't rest till it's the best ...
                  Programmer, Linux Scalability
                  Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com> 1.925.600.0401

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-08-04  5:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-08-04  5:07 [RFC, PATCH 0/5] Going forward with Resource Management - A cpu controller Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-08-04  5:09 ` [ RFC, PATCH 1/5 ] CPU controller - base changes Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-08-04  7:35   ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-04 11:18     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-08-04 14:34   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-04 14:50     ` Balbir Singh
2006-08-04 14:51     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-08-04  5:10 ` [ RFC, PATCH 2/5 ] CPU controller - Define group operations Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-08-04 23:10   ` Jiri Slaby
2006-08-04  5:11 ` [ RFC, PATCH 3/5 ] CPU controller - deal with movement of tasks Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-08-04  5:12 ` [ RFC, PATCH 4/5 ] CPU controller - deal with dont care groups Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-08-04  5:13 ` [ RFC, PATCH 5/5 ] CPU controller - interface with cpusets Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-08-04  5:36 ` [RFC, PATCH 0/5] Going forward with Resource Management - A cpu controller Andrew Morton
2006-08-04  5:42   ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-04  9:49     ` Alan Cox
2006-08-04 11:41       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-08-04 14:51         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-04 15:31           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-08-04 16:03             ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-04 17:02               ` [ProbableSpam] " Shailabh Nagar
2006-08-04 18:27               ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-04 19:11                 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-08-04 19:24                   ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-07  7:19                 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-07 17:14                   ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-08  7:17                     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-08 17:16                       ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-04 17:50           ` Martin Bligh
2006-08-07  7:25             ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-07 14:34               ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-08-07 16:33                 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-07 18:31                   ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-07 18:43                     ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-07 19:00                       ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-07 19:46                         ` Martin Bligh
2006-08-08 14:19                           ` memory resource accounting (was Re: [RFC, PATCH 0/5] Going forward with Resource Management - A cpu controller) Nick Piggin
2006-08-08 14:57                             ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-08 15:22                               ` Nick Piggin
2006-08-09 13:43                                 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-08 17:08                             ` Martin Bligh
2006-08-09  1:54                               ` Nick Piggin
2006-08-08 17:34                             ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-09  4:33                             ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-09  6:00                               ` Magnus Damm
2006-08-09  6:06                                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-09  6:56                             ` Andrey Savochkin
2006-08-08  7:19                     ` [RFC, PATCH 0/5] Going forward with Resource Management - A cpu controller Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-04 16:16         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-04 16:49           ` [ProbableSpam] " Shailabh Nagar
2006-08-04 17:03             ` Dipankar Sarma
2006-08-04 18:17               ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-08-07  7:23               ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-04 14:57       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-04  5:58   ` Paul Jackson [this message]
2006-08-04  6:02   ` Paul Jackson
2006-08-04  6:16     ` Paul Jackson
2006-08-04  6:20   ` Dipankar Sarma
2006-08-04  6:31     ` Paul Jackson
2006-08-04  6:37       ` Dipankar Sarma
2006-08-04  6:49         ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-04  6:45     ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-04  7:10       ` Dipankar Sarma
2006-08-04  7:24         ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-04 19:10       ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-04  6:56   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-08-04  7:13     ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-04 11:16       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-08-04 18:51         ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-04 14:20   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-04 14:35     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-08-04 15:29     ` [ProbableSpam] " Shailabh Nagar
2006-08-07  7:29       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-07  9:30         ` Paul Jackson
2006-08-07 15:58           ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-07 16:10           ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-07 17:15             ` Paul Jackson
2006-08-07 18:19               ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-05  3:30   ` Nick Piggin

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