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From: Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, Daniel Phillips <phillips@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Network receive deadlock prevention for NBD
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 09:46:48 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060809054648.GD17446@2ka.mipt.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060808193325.1396.58813.sendpatchset@lappy>

On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 09:33:25PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra (a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl) wrote:
>    http://lwn.net/Articles/144273/
>    "Kernel Summit 2005: Convergence of network and storage paths"
> 
> We believe that an approach very much like today's patch set is
> necessary for NBD, iSCSI, AoE or the like ever to work reliably. 
> We further believe that a properly working version of at least one of
> these subsystems is critical to the viability of Linux as a modern
> storage platform.

There is another approach for that - do not use slab allocator for
network dataflow at all. It automatically has all you pros amd if
implemented correctly can have a lot of additional usefull and
high-performance features like full zero-copy and total fragmentation
avoidance.

-- 
	Evgeniy Polyakov

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From: Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, Daniel Phillips <phillips@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Network receive deadlock prevention for NBD
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 09:46:48 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060809054648.GD17446@2ka.mipt.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060808193325.1396.58813.sendpatchset@lappy>

On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 09:33:25PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra (a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl) wrote:
>    http://lwn.net/Articles/144273/
>    "Kernel Summit 2005: Convergence of network and storage paths"
> 
> We believe that an approach very much like today's patch set is
> necessary for NBD, iSCSI, AoE or the like ever to work reliably. 
> We further believe that a properly working version of at least one of
> these subsystems is critical to the viability of Linux as a modern
> storage platform.

There is another approach for that - do not use slab allocator for
network dataflow at all. It automatically has all you pros amd if
implemented correctly can have a lot of additional usefull and
high-performance features like full zero-copy and total fragmentation
avoidance.

-- 
	Evgeniy Polyakov

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-08-09  5:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 280+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-08-08 19:33 [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Network receive deadlock prevention for NBD Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:33 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/9] pfn_to_kaddr() for UML Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:33   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:33 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/9] deadlock prevention core Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:33   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 20:57   ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-08-08 20:57     ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-08-08 21:05     ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 21:05       ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09  1:33     ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  1:33       ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  1:38       ` David Miller
2006-08-09  1:38         ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips
2006-08-08 21:17   ` Thomas Graf
2006-08-08 21:17     ` Thomas Graf
2006-08-09  1:34     ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  1:34       ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  1:39       ` David Miller
2006-08-09  1:39         ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  5:47         ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  5:47           ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09 13:19           ` Thomas Graf
2006-08-09 13:19             ` Thomas Graf
2006-08-09 14:07             ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 14:07               ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 16:18               ` Thomas Graf
2006-08-09 16:18                 ` Thomas Graf
2006-08-09 16:19                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 16:19                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-10  0:01                   ` David Miller
2006-08-10  0:01                     ` David Miller, Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 23:58               ` David Miller
2006-08-09 23:58                 ` David Miller, Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-10  6:25                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-10  6:25                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-11  4:24                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-08-11  4:24                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-08-13 21:22                 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-13 21:22                   ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-13 23:49                   ` David Miller
2006-08-13 23:49                     ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips
2006-08-14  1:15                     ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-14  1:15                       ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-11  2:37     ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-11  2:37       ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-13 22:05       ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-13 22:05         ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-13 23:55         ` David Miller
2006-08-13 23:55           ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips
2006-08-14  1:31           ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-14  1:31             ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-14  1:53             ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-14  1:53               ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-14  4:40               ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14  4:40                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14  4:58                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-14  4:58                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-14  5:03                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14  5:03                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14  5:22                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-14  5:22                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-14  6:45                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14  6:45                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14  7:07                         ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-14  7:07                           ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-14  8:15                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14  8:15                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14  8:25                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-14  8:25                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-14  8:35                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14  8:35                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14  8:33                           ` David Miller
2006-08-14  8:33                             ` David Miller, Andrew Morton
2006-08-17  4:27                           ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-17  4:27                             ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-14  7:17                         ` Neil Brown
2006-08-14  7:17                           ` Neil Brown
2006-08-14  7:31                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-14  7:31                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-17  3:58                   ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-17  3:58                     ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-17  5:57                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-17  5:57                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-17 23:53                       ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-17 23:53                         ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-18  0:24                         ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-18  0:24                           ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-18  0:35                         ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-18  0:35                           ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-18  1:14                         ` Neil Brown
2006-08-18  1:14                           ` Neil Brown
2006-08-18  6:05                         ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-18  6:05                           ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-18 21:22                           ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-18 21:22                             ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-18 22:34                             ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-18 22:34                               ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-18 23:44                               ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-18 23:44                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-19  2:44                                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-19  2:44                                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-19  4:14                                   ` Network receive stall avoidance (was [PATCH 2/9] deadlock prevention core) Daniel Phillips
2006-08-19  4:14                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-19  7:28                                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-19  7:28                                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-19 15:06                                   ` [RFC][PATCH 2/9] deadlock prevention core Rik van Riel
2006-08-19 15:06                                     ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-20  1:33                                     ` Andre Tomt
2006-08-20  1:33                                       ` Andre Tomt
2006-08-19 16:53                                   ` Ray Lee
2006-08-19 16:53                                     ` Ray Lee
2006-08-21 13:27                                   ` Philip R. Auld
2006-08-21 13:27                                     ` Philip R. Auld
2006-08-25 10:47                                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-25 10:47                                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-21 13:38                                 ` Jens Axboe
2006-08-21 13:38                                   ` Jens Axboe
2006-08-08 22:10   ` David Miller
2006-08-08 22:10     ` David Miller
2006-08-09  1:35     ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  1:35       ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  1:41       ` David Miller
2006-08-09  1:41         ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  5:44         ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  5:44           ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  7:00           ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09  7:00             ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]   ` <42414.81.207.0.53.1155080443.squirrel@81.207.0.53>
2006-08-09  0:25     ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  0:25       ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09 12:02       ` Indan Zupancic
2006-08-09 12:02         ` Indan Zupancic
2006-08-09 12:54         ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 12:54           ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 13:48           ` Indan Zupancic
2006-08-09 13:48             ` Indan Zupancic
2006-08-09 14:00             ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 14:00               ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 18:34               ` Indan Zupancic
2006-08-09 18:34                 ` Indan Zupancic
2006-08-09 19:45                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 19:45                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 20:19                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 20:19                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-10  1:21                   ` Indan Zupancic
2006-08-10  1:21                     ` Indan Zupancic
2006-08-09 16:05   ` -v2 " Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 16:05     ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:33 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/9] e1000 driver conversion Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:33   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 20:50   ` Auke Kok
2006-08-08 20:50     ` Auke Kok
2006-08-08 20:59     ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 20:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 22:32     ` David Miller
2006-08-08 22:32       ` David Miller, Auke Kok
2006-08-08 22:42       ` Auke Kok
2006-08-08 22:42         ` Auke Kok
2006-08-08 19:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/9] e100 " Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:34   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 20:13   ` Auke Kok
2006-08-08 20:13     ` Auke Kok
2006-08-08 20:18     ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 20:18       ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/9] r8169 " Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:34   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/9] tg3 " Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:34   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/9] UML eth " Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:34   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 8/9] 3c59x " Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:34   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 23:07   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-08-08 23:07     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-08-09  5:51     ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  5:51       ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  5:55       ` David Miller
2006-08-09  5:55         ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  6:30         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-08-09  6:30           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-08-09  7:03           ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09  7:03             ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09  7:20             ` Jeff Garzik
2006-08-09  7:20               ` Jeff Garzik
2006-08-13 19:38         ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-13 19:38           ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-13 19:53           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-08-13 19:53             ` Jeff Garzik
2006-08-08 19:34 ` [RFC][PATCH 9/9] deadlock prevention for NBD Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-08 19:34   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09  5:46 ` Evgeniy Polyakov [this message]
2006-08-09  5:46   ` [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Network receive " Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09  5:52   ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  5:52     ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  5:56     ` David Miller
2006-08-09  5:56       ` David Miller, Daniel Phillips
2006-08-09  5:53   ` David Miller
2006-08-09  5:53     ` David Miller, Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09  5:55     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09  5:55       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09 12:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 12:37     ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 13:07     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09 13:07       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09 13:32       ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 13:32         ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-09 19:29         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09 19:29           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-09 23:54         ` David Miller
2006-08-09 23:54           ` David Miller, Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-10  6:06           ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-10  6:06             ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-13 20:16             ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-13 20:16               ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-14  5:13               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-14  5:13                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-14  6:45                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14  6:45                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14  6:54                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-14  6:54                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-17  4:49                     ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-17  4:49                       ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-17  4:48                 ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-17  4:48                   ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-17  5:36                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-17  5:36                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-17 18:01                     ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-17 18:01                       ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-17 18:42                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-17 18:42                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-17 19:15                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-17 19:15                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-17 19:48                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-17 19:48                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-17 23:24                             ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-17 23:24                               ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-18  7:16                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-18  7:16                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12  3:42         ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-12  3:42           ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-12  8:47           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12  8:47             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12  9:19             ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-12  9:19               ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-12  9:37               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12  9:37                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12 10:18                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-12 10:18                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-12 10:42                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12 10:42                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12 10:51                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12 10:51                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12 11:40                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-12 11:40                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-12 11:53                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12 11:53                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-13  0:46                   ` David Miller
2006-08-13  0:46                     ` David Miller, Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-13  1:11                     ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-13  1:11                       ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-12 14:40                 ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-12 14:40                   ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-12 14:49                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12 14:49                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12 14:56                     ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-12 14:56                       ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-12 15:08                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12 15:08                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-12 15:22                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-12 15:22                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-08-14  0:56                         ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-14  0:56                           ` Daniel Phillips
2006-08-13  0:46                 ` David Miller
2006-08-13  0:46                   ` David Miller, Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-13  9:06                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-13  9:06                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-13  9:52                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-13  9:52                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-08-15 19:17 ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-15 19:17   ` Pavel Machek

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