From: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Chase Venters <chase.venters@clientec.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@linux01.gwdg.de>,
Sergey Panov <sipan@sipan.org>,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: GPLv3 Position Statement
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:58:15 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060927225815.GB7469@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609271300130.7316@turbotaz.ourhouse>
On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 01:37:37PM -0500, Chase Venters wrote:
> I think one thing that should have happened a _lot_ sooner is that you and
> others should have made clear to the startled community that you object
> precisely to the anti-Tivoization clause, not because of any technical
> reason or interpretation but because you don't see anything wrong with
> Tivo's use of Linux. It would have been nice but totally optional to
> engage in dialogue with the FSF. But slandering them about their license
> development process, or their intentions with regard to using Linux as
> leverage, is counterproductive whether true or not.
This has been made clear to Eben and the FSF, for a long time. The
FSF has simply chosen not to listen to Linus and other members of the
kernel community. In fact, I've never seen any interest in a
dialogue, just a pseudo-dialogue where "input is solicited", and then
as near as far as I can tell, at least on the anti-Tivo issue, has
been simply ignored. But in any case, it should not have come as a
surprise and should not have startled anyone.
Regards,
- Ted
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-09-27 22:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 235+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-09-22 16:15 GPLv3 Position Statement James Bottomley
2006-09-22 16:16 ` James Bottomley
2006-09-22 17:49 ` The GPL: No shelter for the Linux kernel? Adrian Bunk
2006-09-22 18:00 ` Greg KH
2006-09-22 18:01 ` Manu Abraham
2006-09-22 20:04 ` David Schwartz
2006-09-22 21:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-22 21:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-23 0:11 ` David Schwartz
2006-09-23 1:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-23 7:28 ` Paul Jackson
2006-09-23 8:05 ` Manu Abraham
2006-09-23 15:32 ` Oleg Verych
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609230941530.4388@g5.osdl.org>
2006-09-23 21:04 ` Forwarded message from Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org> Oleg Verych
2006-09-27 1:19 ` The GPL: No shelter for the Linux kernel? Oleg Verych
2006-09-23 8:10 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-09-23 17:38 ` David Schwartz
2006-09-23 18:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-23 18:14 ` Petr Baudis
2006-09-24 7:53 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-09-24 16:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-25 5:59 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-09-25 15:14 ` Linus Torvalds
[not found] ` <200609221359.39519.gene.heskett@verizon.net>
2006-09-22 18:08 ` GPLv3 Position Statement James Bottomley
2006-09-22 18:30 ` Gene Heskett
2006-09-22 18:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-09-22 18:52 ` Gene Heskett
2006-09-22 19:05 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-22 18:54 ` Gene Heskett
2006-09-25 6:33 ` Marc Perkel
2006-09-22 20:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-09-23 11:38 ` Florian Weimer
2006-09-25 2:44 ` An Ode to GPLv2 (was Re: GPLv3 Position Statement) Linus Torvalds
2006-09-25 4:40 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-09-25 12:00 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-09-25 13:07 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-09-28 0:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-09-25 8:53 ` GPLv3 Position Statement Michiel de Boer
2006-09-25 9:06 ` Russell King
2006-09-25 10:51 ` Neil Brown
2006-09-25 11:31 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-25 16:10 ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-09-29 10:15 ` Helge Hafting
2006-09-29 11:07 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-29 14:02 ` Stephen Clark
2006-09-29 16:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-29 17:47 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-29 17:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-29 18:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-29 18:26 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-29 18:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-29 18:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-29 19:59 ` alan
2006-09-29 20:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-29 20:21 ` alan
2006-09-29 20:32 ` alan
2006-09-29 23:12 ` Gene Heskett
2006-09-29 23:25 ` Randy Dunlap
2006-09-29 23:53 ` Gene Heskett
2006-09-30 0:31 ` Vadim Lobanov
2006-09-30 3:36 ` Gene Heskett
2006-09-30 4:37 ` Vadim Lobanov
2006-09-30 4:54 ` Randy Dunlap
2006-09-30 6:10 ` Vadim Lobanov
2006-09-29 21:11 ` Chris Smith
2006-09-29 21:33 ` alan
2006-09-29 20:51 ` alan
2006-09-29 21:25 ` Theodore Tso
2006-09-29 21:29 ` Alan Cox
2006-10-02 8:46 ` Helge Hafting
2006-09-29 19:43 ` jdow
2006-09-30 18:38 ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-09-30 20:49 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-30 20:38 ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-09-25 14:27 ` Lee Revell
2006-09-25 19:05 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-09-25 20:58 ` Gene Heskett
2006-09-25 22:10 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-09-26 21:32 ` Oleg Verych
2006-09-25 19:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-09-25 21:10 ` Gene Heskett
2006-09-25 11:11 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-09-25 14:12 ` James Bottomley
2006-09-25 16:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-25 17:26 ` James Bottomley
2006-09-25 15:30 ` Xavier Bestel
2006-09-27 1:11 ` Sergey Panov
2006-09-27 5:55 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-09-27 7:36 ` Sergey Panov
2006-09-27 8:58 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-09-27 12:19 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-27 17:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-27 18:37 ` Chase Venters
2006-09-27 19:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-29 12:42 ` Pavel Machek
2006-09-27 22:58 ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2006-09-27 23:16 ` Chase Venters
2006-09-28 0:03 ` Neil Brown
2006-09-28 0:08 ` David Miller
2006-09-28 0:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28 0:54 ` Patrick McFarland
2006-09-28 3:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28 3:47 ` Sergey Panov
2006-09-28 4:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28 5:05 ` Sergey Panov
2006-09-28 4:39 ` Chase Venters
2006-09-28 5:13 ` Trond Myklebust
2006-09-28 5:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-09-28 5:27 ` Sergey Panov
2006-09-28 5:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-09-28 7:30 ` Al Viro
2006-09-28 13:55 ` Lennart Sorensen
2006-09-28 14:19 ` DervishD
2006-09-28 14:40 ` Jörn Engel
2006-09-28 14:59 ` DervishD
2006-09-28 15:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28 15:20 ` Jörn Engel
2006-09-28 15:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28 15:46 ` Björn Steinbrink
2006-09-28 15:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-29 0:26 ` Neil Brown
2006-09-29 6:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-29 1:34 ` jdow
2006-09-29 6:08 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-09-29 7:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-29 7:18 ` David Schwartz
2006-09-29 2:29 ` David Schwartz
2006-09-29 2:45 ` Neil Brown
2006-09-29 3:05 ` Björn Steinbrink
2006-09-29 3:31 ` David Schwartz
2006-09-29 5:37 ` Björn Steinbrink
2006-09-29 7:18 ` David Schwartz
2006-09-29 2:50 ` Sean
2006-09-29 2:50 ` Sean
2006-09-29 7:18 ` David Schwartz
2006-10-02 8:55 ` Maybe it's time to fork the GPL License - create the Linux license? Marc Perkel
2006-10-02 9:14 ` Jesper Juhl
2006-10-02 9:23 ` Marc Perkel
2006-10-03 10:31 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-10-03 15:34 ` Marc Perkel
2006-10-02 9:18 ` Dumitru Ciobarcianu
2006-10-02 9:25 ` Patrick McFarland
2006-10-02 18:26 ` James Dickens
2006-10-03 20:59 ` Ivan Dimitrov
2006-10-03 21:00 ` Chase Venters
2006-10-03 21:17 ` It's not GNU/Linux - it's jusy LINUX Marc Perkel
2006-10-03 21:41 ` Neil Brown
2006-10-04 20:09 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-10-04 20:53 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-10-03 21:41 ` Adam Henley
2006-10-03 21:47 ` Marc Perkel
2006-10-03 21:58 ` Chase Venters
2006-10-03 22:00 ` Hua Zhong
2006-10-04 1:17 ` Patrick Draper
2006-10-04 2:06 ` Patrick McFarland
2006-10-04 15:16 ` Patrick Draper
2006-10-03 22:10 ` M4y3c0
2006-10-03 22:02 ` Maybe it's time to fork the GPL License - create the Linux license? Daniel Barkalow
2006-09-28 14:51 ` GPLv3 Position Statement Simon Oosthoek
2006-09-28 15:07 ` DervishD
2006-09-28 15:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28 18:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28 17:16 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-09-28 18:59 ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-09-28 19:34 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-09-28 20:01 ` Oleg Verych
2006-09-28 23:12 ` Gene Heskett
2006-09-29 8:04 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-09-28 1:35 ` Al Viro
2006-09-28 3:13 ` Sergey Panov
2006-09-28 3:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28 1:53 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-28 9:41 ` Jörn Engel
2006-09-28 9:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-09-28 14:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28 15:19 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-28 14:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28 2:34 ` Gene Heskett
2006-09-28 8:04 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-09-28 13:50 ` Christer Weinigel
2006-09-28 20:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-27 18:01 ` Theodore Tso
2006-09-27 12:32 ` Theodore Tso
2006-09-27 21:05 ` David Schwartz
2006-09-29 12:47 ` Pavel Machek
2006-09-27 17:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-28 8:18 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-09-28 9:39 ` Samuel Tardieu
2006-09-27 16:08 ` Greg KH
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-09-25 10:02 tridge
2006-09-27 9:43 Nicolas Mailhot
2006-09-27 17:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-27 20:34 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-09-27 20:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-27 21:01 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-09-27 23:01 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-27 23:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-27 23:07 ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-09-28 7:36 ` Andi Kleen
2006-09-29 3:01 James Bottomley
2006-09-29 4:40 ` Neil Brown
2006-09-29 6:56 ` James Bottomley
2006-09-29 7:48 ` tridge
2006-09-29 9:37 ` David Schwartz
2006-09-29 10:08 ` Samuel Tardieu
2006-09-29 12:59 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-29 14:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-30 15:32 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2006-09-30 16:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-09-30 22:16 ` tridge
2006-09-29 11:59 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-09-29 14:54 ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-09-29 21:46 ` tridge
2006-09-29 22:03 ` Sean
2006-09-29 22:03 ` Sean
2006-09-29 22:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-09-29 5:51 ` tridge
2006-09-29 7:31 ` James Bottomley
2006-09-29 12:08 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-09-29 20:50 ` James Bottomley
2006-09-29 7:31 ` James Bottomley
2006-09-29 8:09 ` tridge
2006-09-29 20:28 ` James Bottomley
2006-09-29 8:53 ` tridge
2006-09-29 9:37 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-09-29 9:52 ` tridge
2006-09-30 0:56 ` James Bottomley
2006-09-29 19:50 ` James Bottomley
2006-09-30 7:05 ` tridge
2006-09-30 15:06 ` James Bottomley
2006-10-01 6:28 ` tridge
2006-10-01 15:45 ` James Bottomley
2006-10-01 16:48 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-09-30 21:11 ` David Lang
2006-09-30 22:29 ` Michiel de Boer
2006-10-01 6:52 ` tridge
2006-09-29 7:32 ` David Woodhouse
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