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From: Jakob Oestergaard <jakob@unthought.net>
To: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	"Phetteplace, Thad (GE Healthcare,
	consultant)"  <Thad.Phetteplace@ge.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Bandwidth Allocations under CFQ I/O Scheduler
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:00:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20061018080030.GU23492@unthought.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061017132312.GD7854@kernel.dk>

On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 03:23:13PM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 17 2006, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
...
> > Hi,
> > 
> > it's a nice idea in theory. However... since IO bandwidth for seeks is
> > about 1% to 3% of that of sequential IO (on disks at least), which
> > bandwidth do you want to allocate? "worst case" you need to use the
> > all-seeks bandwidth, but that's so far away from "best case" that it may
> > well not be relevant in practice. Yet there are real world cases where
> > for a period of time you approach worst case behavior ;(
> 
> Bandwidth reservation would have to be confined to special cases, you
> obviously cannot do it "in general" for the reasons Arjan lists above.

How about allocating I/O operations instead of bandwidth ?

So, any read is really a seek+read, and we count that as one I/O
operation. Same for writes.

Since the total "capacity" of the system is typically (in real-world
scenarios) the number of operations (seek+X) rather than the raw
sequential bandwidth anyway, I suppose that I/O operations would be what
you wanted to allocate anyway.

Anyway, just a thought...

(And if you're thinking one sequential reader/writer could then starve
the system; well, count every 256KiB of data to read/write as a seperate
I/O operation even though no seek is needed. That would very roughly
match the raw read/write performance with the seek performance)

-- 

 / jakob


  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-10-18  8:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-10-16 20:46 Bandwidth Allocations under CFQ I/O Scheduler Phetteplace, Thad (GE Healthcare, consultant)
2006-10-17  1:24 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-10-17 13:23   ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-17 14:37     ` Ric Wheeler
2006-10-17 14:47       ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-17 14:46     ` Phetteplace, Thad (GE Healthcare, consultant)
2006-10-18  8:00     ` Jakob Oestergaard [this message]
2006-10-18  9:40       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-10-18 11:30         ` Jakob Oestergaard
2006-10-18 11:49           ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-18 12:23             ` Jakob Oestergaard
2006-10-18 12:42               ` Alan Cox
2006-10-18 12:44                 ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-18 12:55                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-18 13:04                     ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-18 13:39                       ` Jakob Oestergaard
2006-10-18 13:51                       ` Paulo Marques
2006-10-19 12:22                         ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-18 13:37                     ` Jakob Oestergaard
2006-10-18 12:44                 ` Jakob Oestergaard
2006-10-18 12:42               ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-18 13:35                 ` Jakob Oestergaard
2006-10-18  9:51       ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-18 11:00         ` Helge Hafting
2006-10-18 11:14           ` Jens Axboe
2006-10-18 11:23           ` Ric Wheeler

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