From: Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
Tobias Diedrich <ranma+kernel@tdiedrich.de>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>, Yinghai Lu <yinghai.lu@amd.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: IO-APIC + timer doesn't work
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 01:16:57 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200612180116.58175.lenb@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1d56jt7uj.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>
On Sunday 17 December 2006 00:22, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Actually can anyone tell me how try_apic_pin is supposed to work at
> all?
>
> It doesn't appear to be programming the io_apic.
magic:-)
ACPI can't even _describe_ the scenarios being tried by check_timer(),
which is trying to navigate the minefield of all possible undocumented
chipset dependent bugs. (ie, tinkering with the PIT when in IOAPIC mode...)
The chipset vendors can create new bugs in this area
faster than we can fix them, and there is a reason for this.
The public info on Windows says that they use 100HZ IRQ0 8254 only for UP.
On SMP, they use 64 HZ RTC on IRQ8 instead.
This means that for the population of system vendors that validate only with Windows,
only those timers are getting validated, and Linux on IRQ0 is exposed to HW bugs.
So the RTC looks like a safe path for a validated periodic ticker
when our first choice doesn't work. But the RTC isn't without problems.
It can tick only in powers of 2 HZ, and 100/250/300/1000 are not powers of 2.
Dunno if close counts -- 256 is close to our 250, and 1024 is close to our 1000,
but we don't have any choices close to 100 or 300 HZ.
-Len
ps.
Moving to the RTC from the PIT would move us 3 years forward
in hardware technology, from 1981 to 1984:-)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-12-18 6:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-12-14 2:06 Linux 2.6.20-rc1 Linus Torvalds
2006-12-14 2:46 ` Gene Heskett
2006-12-14 3:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-14 5:36 ` Gene Heskett
2006-12-14 17:48 ` ieee1394 in 2.6.20-rc1 (was Re: Linux 2.6.20-rc1) Stefan Richter
2006-12-14 19:08 ` Stefan Richter
2006-12-15 3:17 ` Gene Heskett
2006-12-17 18:11 ` Gene Heskett
2006-12-17 18:31 ` Stefan Richter
2006-12-17 19:04 ` Gene Heskett
2006-12-17 20:21 ` Stefan Richter
2006-12-17 23:34 ` Gene Heskett
2006-12-18 1:05 ` Stefan Richter
2006-12-18 4:29 ` Gene Heskett
2006-12-18 15:45 ` Stefan Richter
2006-12-18 15:54 ` Gene Heskett
2006-12-14 13:59 ` Linux 2.6.20-rc1 Alessandro Suardi
2006-12-14 14:18 ` Steve WIse
2006-12-14 15:48 ` Alan
2006-12-14 19:30 ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-12-14 19:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-14 20:05 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-12-14 20:26 ` [PATCH] support HDIO_GET_IDENTITY in libata Erik Andersen
2006-12-14 20:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-12-14 20:40 ` Erik Andersen
2006-12-16 16:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-12-15 18:45 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2006-12-16 16:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-12-14 20:16 ` Linux 2.6.20-rc1 Alistair John Strachan
2006-12-14 20:28 ` Jens Axboe
2006-12-14 20:33 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-12-14 20:36 ` Jens Axboe
2006-12-14 20:48 ` Jens Axboe
2006-12-14 21:13 ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-12-14 21:20 ` Jens Axboe
2006-12-15 0:48 ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-12-15 1:41 ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-12-16 21:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-16 22:28 ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-12-16 22:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-12-16 23:00 ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-12-18 18:32 ` Jens Axboe
2006-12-18 18:41 ` Jens Axboe
2006-12-14 21:33 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-12-14 21:44 ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-12-14 21:50 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-12-14 22:33 ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-12-19 12:41 ` Jens Axboe
2006-12-19 14:32 ` Robert Hancock
2006-12-19 14:38 ` Jens Axboe
2006-12-19 14:50 ` Jens Axboe
2006-12-19 17:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-14 21:53 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-12-14 20:32 ` Nicolas Mailhot
2006-12-14 23:22 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-12-14 23:33 ` Nicolas Mailhot
2006-12-15 16:50 ` Bill Davidsen
2006-12-15 17:28 ` Alan
2006-12-18 21:57 ` Bill Davidsen
[not found] ` <20061216174536.GA2753@melchior.yamamaya.is-a-geek.org>
2006-12-16 18:06 ` IO-APIC + timer doesn't work (was: Linux 2.6.20-rc1) Linus Torvalds
[not found] ` <20061216225338.GA2616@melchior.yamamaya.is-a-geek.org>
[not found] ` <20061216230605.GA2789@melchior.yamamaya.is-a-geek.org>
2006-12-16 23:36 ` Linus Torvalds
[not found] ` <20061216235513.GA2424@melchior.yamamaya.is-a-geek.org>
2006-12-17 0:04 ` IO-APIC + timer doesn't work Linus Torvalds
2006-12-17 5:16 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-17 5:22 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-18 6:16 ` Len Brown [this message]
2006-12-17 13:10 ` Tobias Diedrich
2006-12-17 17:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-17 14:57 ` IO-APIC + timer doesn't work (was: Linux 2.6.20-rc1) Tobias Diedrich
2006-12-18 13:14 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-18 15:23 ` Tobias Diedrich
2006-12-18 15:34 ` Tobias Diedrich
2006-12-18 15:43 ` IO-APIC + timer doesn't work Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-19 8:00 ` Yinghai Lu
2006-12-19 11:27 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-20 6:50 ` Yinghai Lu
2006-12-21 19:15 ` Tobias Diedrich
2006-12-21 20:46 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-31 8:29 ` Yinghai Lu
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-12-21 21:24 Lu, Yinghai
2006-12-21 21:40 ` Eric W. Biederman
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