From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
To: Tilman Schmidt <tilman@imap.cc>
Cc: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>,
Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@linux01.gwdg.de>,
Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk>,
David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: OT: character encodings
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 02:59:58 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070108015958.GT20714@stusta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45A19F3A.5030800@imap.cc>
On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 02:32:42AM +0100, Tilman Schmidt wrote:
> Am 08.01.2007 01:38 schrieb Willy Tarreau:
>...
> > And I'm not even
> > discussing the stupidity which requires that you read a whole text to get
> > its number of characters !
>
> Personally I find the requirement to know the number of characters in a text
> rather unusual, so I wouldn't base a decision for an encoding on that. In
> fact, I cannot remember ever really wanting to know the actual number of
> characters in a text. The number of bytes occupied on storage, ok. The
> number of letters, of words, of lines, perhaps even the number of printable
> characters, all potentially interesting, depending on the application.
> But the raw number of characters? I don't know what that might serve for.
Also note that the UTF-32 Unicode encoding would offer this property,
but with the following disadvantages compared to the UTF-8 Unicode
encoding:
- 7bit ASCII is not a subset of UTF-32 losing a lot of compatibility
(code 7bit ASCII with some UTF-8 in the comments is no problem
for not-Unicode aware systems except for slight misdisplayments
of the comments)
- UTF-32 has up to 4 times the size of UTF-8
There's also the point that you can use e.g. "wc" or your editor for
counting the characters.
> HTH
> Tilman
cu
Adrian
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Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-01-07 6:19 Linux 2.6.20-rc4 Linus Torvalds
2007-01-07 10:56 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-07 11:44 ` Russell King
2007-01-07 13:06 ` OT: character encodings (was: Linux 2.6.20-rc4) Tilman Schmidt
2007-01-07 15:13 ` David Woodhouse
2007-01-07 15:38 ` Russell King
2007-01-07 16:29 ` David Woodhouse
2007-01-07 17:06 ` Russell King
2007-01-07 19:11 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-07 19:20 ` Russell King
2007-01-07 20:48 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-01-07 23:37 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-08 0:38 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-01-08 1:03 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-08 1:14 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-01-08 1:45 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-08 6:52 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 8:02 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-08 1:32 ` OT: character encodings Tilman Schmidt
2007-01-08 1:59 ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2007-01-08 19:53 ` OT: character encodings (was: Linux 2.6.20-rc4) Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-07 19:29 ` OT: character encodings Tilman Schmidt
[not found] ` <20070107195051.GF21133@flint.arm.linux.org.uk>
[not found] ` <45A17645.1030905@imap.cc>
2007-01-08 1:53 ` David Woodhouse
2007-01-07 18:21 ` OT: character encodings (was: Linux 2.6.20-rc4) Alan
2007-01-07 19:12 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-07 22:30 ` Alan
2007-01-08 1:22 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 20:17 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 22:00 ` Ken Moffat
2007-01-08 23:21 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 23:34 ` Eberhard Moenkeberg
2007-01-08 16:14 ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-08 22:17 ` Tim Pepper
2007-01-08 23:30 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-07 19:17 ` Russell King
2007-01-07 19:58 ` Robin Rosenberg
2007-01-07 20:05 ` Dave Jones
2007-01-07 20:15 ` Sean
2007-01-07 20:40 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-07 21:07 ` Xavier Bestel
2007-01-08 4:42 ` David Woodhouse
2007-01-08 1:40 ` Horst H. von Brand
2007-01-07 13:23 ` Linux 2.6.20-rc4 Alan
2007-01-07 12:15 ` Akula2
2007-01-07 12:55 ` Russell King
2007-01-07 13:38 ` Akula2
2007-01-07 13:53 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-01-07 14:23 ` Akula2
2007-01-07 20:57 ` Peter Osterlund
2007-01-07 21:04 ` Peter Osterlund
2007-01-08 15:50 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-01-07 22:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-08 1:00 ` David Miller
2007-01-08 6:38 ` Peter Osterlund
2007-01-08 20:49 ` Peter Osterlund
2007-01-08 21:52 ` David Miller
2007-01-08 22:33 ` Patrick McHardy
2007-01-08 22:33 ` Patrick McHardy
2007-01-08 23:02 ` Peter Osterlund
2007-01-08 23:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-09 3:42 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-09 7:39 ` David Miller
2007-01-09 7:39 ` David Miller
2007-01-07 21:22 ` Gene Heskett
2007-01-08 0:22 ` 2.6.20-rc4: known unfixed regressions Adrian Bunk
2007-01-08 0:22 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-08 1:20 ` Bernhard Schmidt
2007-01-08 1:20 ` Bernhard Schmidt
2007-01-08 0:25 ` 2.6.20-rc4: known regressions with patches available Adrian Bunk
2007-01-08 0:25 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-08 0:33 ` [Bluez-devel] " Marcel Holtmann
2007-01-08 0:33 ` Marcel Holtmann
2007-01-08 0:33 ` Marcel Holtmann
2007-01-08 14:50 ` Linux 2.6.20-rc4 Mariusz Kozlowski
2007-01-08 14:50 ` Mariusz Kozlowski
2007-01-08 14:58 ` Sylvain Munaut
2007-01-08 14:58 ` Sylvain Munaut
2007-01-08 15:03 ` Mariusz Kozlowski
2007-01-08 15:03 ` Mariusz Kozlowski
2007-01-08 19:11 ` Jean Delvare
2007-01-08 19:11 ` Jean Delvare
2007-01-09 0:38 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-09 0:38 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-09 0:56 ` Greg KH
2007-01-09 0:56 ` Greg KH
2007-01-09 2:05 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-09 2:05 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-09 7:04 ` David Woodhouse
2007-01-09 7:04 ` David Woodhouse
2007-01-09 7:04 ` Sylvain Munaut
2007-01-09 7:04 ` Sylvain Munaut
2007-01-09 9:04 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-09 9:04 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-09 7:14 ` Sylvain Munaut
2007-01-09 7:14 ` Sylvain Munaut
2007-01-09 7:28 ` David Woodhouse
2007-01-09 7:28 ` David Woodhouse
2007-01-09 9:08 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-09 9:08 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-09 9:07 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-09 9:07 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-09 7:18 ` Greg KH
2007-01-09 7:18 ` Greg KH
2007-01-09 5:25 ` 2.6.20-rc4: known unfixed regressions (v2) Adrian Bunk
2007-01-09 5:25 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-09 17:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-09 18:08 ` Malte Schröder
2007-01-09 18:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-01-11 0:24 ` Vladimir V. Saveliev
2007-01-11 1:00 ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-11 13:12 ` Vladimir V. Saveliev
2007-01-11 23:53 ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-09 20:28 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-09 5:51 ` 2.6.20-rc4: known regressions with patches (v2) Adrian Bunk
2007-01-09 5:51 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-11 5:10 ` 2.6.20-rc4: known unfixed regressions (v3) Adrian Bunk
2007-01-11 6:43 ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-11 8:45 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-11 10:21 ` Jiri Kosina
2007-01-11 10:54 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-11 11:08 ` CIJOML
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0701062216210.3661-AgDkxUvNf0y7TbgM5vRIOg@public.gmane.org>
2007-01-11 5:13 ` 2.6.20-rc4: known regressions with patches (v3) Adrian Bunk
2007-01-11 5:13 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-01-11 21:39 ` David Chinner
2007-01-11 22:02 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-11 23:05 ` David Chinner
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