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From: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, KudOS <kudos@lists.ucla.edu>
Subject: Re: block_device usage and incorrect block writes
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:23:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070124092333.GE12718@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070124082115.GA12538@pooh.cs.ucla.edu>

On Wed, Jan 24 2007, Chris Frost wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 01:13:06PM +1100, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > noop doesn't guarentee that IO will be queued with the device in the
> > order in which they are submitted, and it definitely doesn't guarentee
> > that the device will process them in the order in which they are
> > dispatched. noop being FIFO basically means that it will not sort
> > requests. You can still have reordering if one request gets merged with
> > another, for instance.
> > 
> > The block layer in general provides no guarentees about ordering of
> > requests, unless you use barriers. So if you require ordering across a
> > given write request, it needs to be a write barrier.
> 
> Thank your explaining this aspect of the linux block device layer design.
> Earlier, we tried bio barriers (hard barriers) and found the slow down
> to be too great. After my previous email we looked further down the stack and
> noticed that struct request also has a soft barrier option. For our tests,
> soft barriers perform almost as well as no barriers, and our system
> is ok (for now, at least) with the write reordering that devices can do.
> 
> As our code calls generic_make_request(), it does not have access to the
> created struct request. We have modified block/ll_rw_blk.c:__make_request()
> to 1) not merge requests and to 2) add the REQ_SOFTBARRIER flag to the new
> request's cmd_flags field. Is there a more modular way for a function to
> create a new request with a soft barrier?

It would not be a problem to expose the soft/hard barrier difference at
the bio level as well, so you have direct access to it. I think it would
be quite useful in general.

-- 
Jens Axboe


      reply	other threads:[~2007-01-24  9:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-18  1:08 block_device usage and incorrect block writes Chris Frost
2007-01-18  2:13 ` Jens Axboe
2007-01-18 10:31   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-24  8:21   ` Chris Frost
2007-01-24  9:23     ` Jens Axboe [this message]

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