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From: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>
To: tglx@linutronix.de
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Michal Piotrowski <michal.k.k.piotrowski@gmail.com>,
	Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 2.6.21-rc1: known regressions (v2) (part 2)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 23:05:53 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200703012305.53997.kernel@kolivas.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1172748837.11473.53.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thursday 01 March 2007 22:33, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 22:13 +1100, Con Kolivas wrote:
> > > if then there should be a mechanism /in the hardware/ to set the
> > > priority of a CPU - and then the hardware could decide how to
> > > prioritize between siblings. Doing this in software is really hard.
> >
> > And that's the depressing part because of course I was interested in that
> > as the original approach to the problem (and it was a big problem). When
> > I spoke to Intel and AMD (of course to date no SMT AMD chip exists) at
> > kernel summit they said it was too hard to implement hardware priorities
> > well. Which is real odd since IBM have already done it with Power...
> >
> > Still I think it has been working fine in software till now, but now it
> > has to deal with the added confusion of dynticks, so I already know what
> > will happen to it.
>
> Well, it's not a dyntick problem in the first place. Even w/o dynticks
> we go idle with local_softirq_pending(). Dynticks contains an explicit
> check for that, which makes it visible.

Oops I'm sorry if I made it sound like there's a dynticks problem. That was 
not my intent and I said as much in an earlier email. Even though I'm finding 
myself defending code that has already been softly tagged for redundancy, 
let's be clear here; we're talking about at most a further 70ms delay in 
scheduling a niced task in the presence of a nice 0 task, which is a 
reasonable delay for ksoftirqd which we nice the eyeballs out of in mainline. 
Considering under load our scheduler has been known to cause scheduling 
delays of 10 seconds I still don't see this as a bug. Dynticks just "points 
it out to us".

-- 
-ck

  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-01 12:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 293+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-21  4:53 Linux 2.6.21-rc1 Linus Torvalds
2007-02-21 13:26 ` Faik Uygur
2007-02-21 18:41   ` Jiri Slaby
2007-02-21 18:51     ` Jiri Slaby
2007-02-21 19:19   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-21 13:32 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-02-21 15:58   ` Kok, Auke
2007-02-21 19:24     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-21 19:45       ` Andrew Morton
2007-02-21 16:23 ` request_module: runaway loop modprobe net-pf-1 (is Re: Linux 2.6.21-rc1) YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
     [not found]   ` <87ps8372bf.fsf@duaron.myhome.or.jp>
2007-02-21 20:36     ` Greg KH
2007-02-21 21:16       ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2007-02-22  0:18         ` Greg KH
2007-02-22  9:57           ` Anders Larsen
2007-02-22 10:30             ` David Miller
     [not found]     ` <20070222.110440.47345562.yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>
     [not found]       ` <20070222.123417.79213825.yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>
2007-02-22  6:08         ` Greg KH
2007-02-21 16:24 ` Linux 2.6.21-rc1 Daniel Walker
2007-02-21 17:07   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-02-21 17:19     ` Daniel Walker
2007-02-21 17:41       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-02-21 17:38         ` Daniel Walker
2007-02-21 18:18           ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-02-21 18:23             ` Daniel Walker
2007-02-21 19:23               ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-02-21 19:24                 ` Daniel Walker
2007-02-21 20:00                 ` Daniel Walker
2007-02-21 20:18                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-21 20:43                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-02-21 20:49                     ` Daniel Walker
2007-02-21 21:06                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-21 21:21                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-02-21 21:23                         ` Daniel Walker
2007-02-21 22:05                         ` Linux 2.6.21-rc1 [git bisect] Pete Harlan
2007-02-23 10:08         ` Linux 2.6.21-rc1 Andrew Morton
2007-02-23 11:35           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-23 11:39             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-23 11:47             ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-02-21 18:34 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-02-21 18:40   ` Dave Jones
2007-02-21 23:04 ` NO_HZ: timer interrupt stuck [Re: Linux 2.6.21-rc1] Luca Tettamanti
2007-02-21 23:17   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-02-21 23:19     ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-02-22 12:36     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-02-22 13:25       ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-02-22 14:10         ` Pierre Ossman
2007-02-22 14:20           ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-02-22 14:51             ` Pierre Ossman
2007-02-22 15:13               ` Pierre Ossman
2007-02-22 16:00                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-02-22 16:27                   ` Pierre Ossman
2007-02-22 16:42                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-02-22 21:07                       ` Pierre Ossman
2007-02-22 21:25                         ` Andreas Mohr
2007-02-22 22:21                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-02-23  6:55                           ` Pierre Ossman
2007-02-22 19:58                   ` Pallipadi, Venkatesh
2007-02-22 15:51       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-02-22 17:26         ` NO_HZ: timer interrupt stuck David Miller
2007-02-22 17:39           ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-02-23  9:25             ` David Miller
2007-02-23  9:56               ` sparc generic time / clockevents [ was Re: NO_HZ: timer interrupt stuck ] Thomas Gleixner
2007-02-23  9:55                 ` sparc generic time / clockevents David Miller
2007-02-23 19:51                   ` john stultz
2007-02-23 22:15                     ` Peter Keilty
2007-02-24  0:34                     ` David Miller
2007-02-24  0:53                       ` john stultz
2007-02-24  5:52                         ` David Miller
2007-02-25  5:13                       ` generic one-shot bug (was Re: sparc generic time / clockevents) David Miller
2007-02-25  8:34                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-02-23 15:50           ` NO_HZ: timer interrupt stuck Andi Kleen
2007-02-23 15:48     ` NO_HZ: timer interrupt stuck [Re: Linux 2.6.21-rc1] Andi Kleen
2007-02-23  5:25 ` Linux 2.6.21-rc1 -- suspend Pavel Machek
2007-02-25 17:52 ` 2.6.21-rc1: known regressions (part 1) Adrian Bunk
2007-02-25 17:52   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-02-27  8:39   ` regression: forcedeth.c hang Ingo Molnar
2007-02-27  9:01     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-27  9:38       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-27 11:25         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-27 15:42           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-28  7:36             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-28 18:16   ` 2.6.21-rc1: known regressions (part 1) Karasyov, Konstantin A
2007-02-28 18:16     ` Karasyov, Konstantin A
2007-02-25 17:55 ` 2.6.21-rc1: known regressions (part 2) Adrian Bunk
2007-02-25 17:55   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-02-27 10:02   ` Jens Axboe
2007-02-27 10:02     ` Jens Axboe
2007-02-27 10:21     ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-27 10:21       ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-27 10:30       ` Jens Axboe
2007-02-27 10:30         ` Jens Axboe
2007-02-27 10:34         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-27 10:34           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-27 10:59           ` Jens Axboe
2007-02-27 10:59             ` Jens Axboe
2007-02-27 11:15             ` Jens Axboe
2007-02-27 11:15               ` Jens Axboe
2007-02-27 13:09               ` Jens Axboe
2007-02-27 13:09                 ` Jens Axboe
2007-03-01  9:34               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01  9:34                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 10:41                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 10:41                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 14:52                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 16:12                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-03-01 16:12                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-03-02  0:26                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02  0:26                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02  0:41                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02  0:41                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02  7:14                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-02  7:14                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-02  7:21                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-02  7:21                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-02  8:04                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-02  8:04                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-02 10:20                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-02 10:20                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-02 10:22                             ` [patch] KVM: T60 resume fix Ingo Molnar
2007-03-02 10:22                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-02 11:39                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-03  8:22                                 ` Avi Kivity
2007-03-03  8:22                                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-03-03  8:21                               ` Avi Kivity
2007-03-03  8:21                                 ` Avi Kivity
2007-03-03 11:57                                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-03 11:57                                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-03 12:07                                   ` Junio C Hamano
2007-03-03 12:07                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2007-03-05  8:22                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-05  8:22                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-05  8:50                                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-03-05  8:50                                     ` Avi Kivity
2007-03-05  8:44                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-05  8:44                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-05  8:57                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-05  8:57                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-05  9:27                                         ` Avi Kivity
2007-03-05  9:27                                           ` Avi Kivity
2007-03-05 10:05                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-05 10:05                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-05 10:33                                             ` Avi Kivity
2007-03-05 10:33                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-05 10:40                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-05 10:40                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-05 12:54                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-05 12:54                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-05 12:50                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-05 12:50                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-05 13:26                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-05 13:26                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-05 13:32                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-05 13:32                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-05 10:23                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-05 10:23                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-05 10:29                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-02 16:36                             ` 2.6.21-rc1: known regressions (part 2) Linus Torvalds
2007-03-05 14:04                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-05 15:44                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-05 15:44                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-05 16:14                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-05 16:14                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-05 16:41                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-05 16:41                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-05 18:16                             ` Jens Axboe
2007-03-01 23:36                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-01 23:36                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-02 10:07                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-02 10:07                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-05  8:42                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-05  8:42                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-05 10:11                     ` SATA resume slowness, e1000 MSI warning Ingo Molnar
2007-03-05 10:11                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06  5:30                       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-03-06  5:30                         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-03-06  6:35                         ` Kok, Auke
2007-03-06  6:35                           ` Kok, Auke
2007-03-06  9:04                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06  9:04                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 15:34                             ` Kok, Auke
2007-03-07  4:15                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-07  4:15                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-07 16:31                                 ` Kok, Auke
2007-03-07 16:31                                   ` Kok, Auke
2007-03-07 16:45                                   ` Kok, Auke
2007-03-07 16:45                                     ` Kok, Auke
2007-03-07 19:28                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-07 19:28                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-08  2:53                                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-08  2:53                                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-08  6:58                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-08  9:55                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-03-08  9:55                                             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-03-08 17:27                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-08 17:27                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-08 19:58                                               ` [PATCH 0/2] Repair pci_restore_state when used with device resets Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-08 19:58                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-08 20:04                                                 ` [PATCH 1/2] msi: Safer state caching Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-08 20:04                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-08 20:06                                                   ` [PATCH 2/2] pci: Repair pci_save/restore_state so we can restore one save many times Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-08 20:06                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-10  7:50                                                     ` patch pci-repair-pci_save-restore_state-so-we-can-restore-one-save-many-times.patch added to gregkh-2.6 tree gregkh
2007-03-12 22:46                                                     ` [PATCH 2/2] pci: Repair pci_save/restore_state so we can restore one save many times Kok, Auke
2007-03-12 22:46                                                       ` Kok, Auke
2007-03-10  7:49                                                   ` patch msi-safer-state-caching.patch added to gregkh-2.6 tree gregkh
2007-03-08 20:08                                                 ` [PATCH 0/2] Repair pci_restore_state when used with device resets Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08 20:08                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08 20:26                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-08 20:26                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-08 10:23                                           ` SATA resume slowness, e1000 MSI warning Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-08 10:23                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-11 11:11                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-11 11:11                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-11 11:24                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-11 11:24                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-11 17:37                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-11 17:37                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-11 18:03                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-11 18:03                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-11 18:27                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-11 18:27                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-11 18:37                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-11 18:37                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-11 19:50                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-11 19:50                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-12  4:35                                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-12  4:35                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-04-16 19:56                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-09 23:06                                       ` Kok, Auke
2007-03-09 23:06                                         ` Kok, Auke
2007-03-10  3:41                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-10  3:41                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-03-06  9:06                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06  9:06                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 16:26                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-06 16:26                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-06 16:52                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-06 16:52                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-06 17:09                           ` Kok, Auke
2007-03-06 17:09                             ` Kok, Auke
2007-03-09  6:44                     ` 2.6.21-rc1: known regressions (part 2) Pavel Machek
2007-03-09  6:44                       ` [linux-pm] " Pavel Machek
2007-03-05 15:34                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-05 15:34                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-02-27 22:09     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-02-27 22:09       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-02-28  7:41       ` Jens Axboe
2007-02-28  7:41         ` Jens Axboe
2007-02-25 18:02 ` 2.6.21-rc1: known regressions (part 3) Adrian Bunk
2007-02-25 20:59   ` Greg KH
2007-02-26 22:01 ` 2.6.21-rc1: known regressions (v2) (part 1) Adrian Bunk
2007-02-26 22:01   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-02-27  4:09   ` Sergio Monteiro Basto
2007-02-27 12:50   ` S.Çağlar Onur
2007-02-27 13:25     ` Ismail Dönmez
     [not found]       ` <b637ec0b0702270614i25b6be9fmfb4b12ddd789a467@mail.gmail.com>
2007-02-27 18:44         ` S.Çağlar Onur
2007-02-27 19:08           ` S.Çağlar Onur
2007-02-27 13:00   ` Meelis Roos
2007-02-27 14:16     ` Alan
2007-02-28 21:13   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-02-28 21:27     ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-02-28 21:40       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-02-28 21:40         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-01  3:45     ` Jeff Chua
2007-03-01  3:45       ` Jeff Chua
2007-03-02 12:26       ` [linux-pm] " Pavel Machek
2007-03-03 11:17         ` Jens Axboe
2007-03-05  0:04       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-06  1:32         ` Jeff Chua
2007-03-06 12:03           ` Jeff Chua
2007-03-06 12:08             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-06 12:08               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-06 12:12               ` Jeff Chua
2007-03-19 15:32                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-19 21:23                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-26 22:05 ` 2.6.21-rc1: known regressions (v2) (part 2) Adrian Bunk
2007-02-27  8:21   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-02-27  8:33     ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-02-27  8:33       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-02-27  8:54         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-02-27 23:07           ` Con Kolivas
2007-02-28  4:21             ` Mike Galbraith
2007-02-28 22:01               ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-01  0:02                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-01  8:46                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 11:13                     ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-01 11:33                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-01 12:05                         ` Con Kolivas [this message]
2007-03-01 12:20                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-01 13:30                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-01 21:51                             ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-01 22:33                               ` [PATCH] sched: remove SMT nice Con Kolivas
     [not found]                                 ` <20070301173002.456f9534.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
2007-03-02  1:25                                   ` Con Kolivas
2007-02-27  8:35       ` 2.6.21-rc1: known regressions (v2) (part 2) Michal Piotrowski

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