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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>, Robin Holt <holt@sgi.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Jack Steiner <steiner@americas.sgi.com>
Subject: Re: init's children list is long and slows reaping children.
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:06:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070410150650.GA9946@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m17iskz3i8.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>


* Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:

> > on a second thought: the p->children list is needed for the whole 
> > child/parent task tree, which is needed for sys_getppid().
> 
> Yes, something Oleg said made me realize that.
> 
> As long as the reparent isn't to complex it isn't required that we 
> have exactly one list .
> 
> > The question is, does anything require us to reparent to within the 
> > same thread group?
> 
> I think my head is finally on straight about this question.
> 
> Currently there is the silly linux specific parent death signal 
> (pdeath_signal).  Oleg's memory was a better than mine on this score.
> 
> However there is no indication that the parent death signal being sent 
> when a thread leader dies is actually correct, or even interesting. It 
> probably should only be sent when getppid changes.
> 
> So with pdeath_signal fixed that is nothing that requires us to 
> reparent within the same thread group.
> 
> I'm trying to remember what the story is now.  There is a nasty race 
> somewhere with reparenting, a threaded parent setting SIGCHLD to 
> SIGIGN, and non-default signals that results in an zombie that no one 
> can wait for and reap.  It requires being reparented twice to trigger.
> 
> Anyway it is a real mess and if we can remove the stupid multi-headed 
> child lists things would become much simpler and the problem could not 
> occur.
> 
> Plus the code would become much simpler...
> 
> utrace appears to have removed the ptrace_children list and the 
> special cases that entailed.

so ... is anyone pursuing this? This would allow us to make sys_wait4() 
faster and more scalable: no tasklist_lock bouncing for example.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-10 15:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 112+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-05 19:51 init's children list is long and slows reaping children Robin Holt
2007-04-05 20:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-06  0:51   ` Chris Snook
2007-04-06  1:03     ` Chris Snook
2007-04-06  1:29     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-06  2:15       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 10:43         ` Robin Holt
2007-04-06 15:38           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 16:31             ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-06 17:32               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 17:39                 ` Roland Dreier
2007-04-06 18:04                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 18:30                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 19:18                   ` [patch] sched: get rid of p->children use in show_task() Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 19:22                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-10 13:48                   ` init's children list is long and slows reaping children Ingo Molnar
2007-04-10 13:38                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-10 15:00                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-10 15:16                       ` [PATCH] Only send pdeath_signal when getppid changes Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-10 16:37                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-10 17:41                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-10 17:48                             ` Roland McGrath
2007-04-11  3:17                               ` Albert Cahalan
2007-04-10 14:51                     ` init's children list is long and slows reaping children Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-10 15:06                       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2007-04-10 15:22                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-10 15:53                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-10 16:17                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-11  6:20                             ` [patch] uninline remove/add_parent() APIs Ingo Molnar
2007-04-11  7:00                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-11 22:06                                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-12 10:45                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-12 22:50                                   ` Roland McGrath
2007-04-10 16:44                       ` init's children list is long and slows reaping children Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-11 19:55                         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-11 20:17                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-11 21:24                             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-11 20:19                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-06 18:02               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 18:21               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-06 18:56                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 19:16                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-06 19:19                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 21:29                       ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-06 21:51                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-06 22:31                           ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-06 22:46                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-06 22:59                               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-09  8:28                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-09 18:09                             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-09 19:28                               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-04-09 19:51                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-09 20:03                                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-10 15:12                                     ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-10 19:17                                       ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-09 20:00                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 16:41             ` Robin Holt
2007-04-09 17:37         ` Chris Snook
2007-04-06 18:05       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-06 19:39         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 22:38 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-06 22:51   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-06 23:37     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-11  7:28       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-10  0:23   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-10  0:48     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-10  1:15       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-10  6:53       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-10  9:42       ` Robin Holt
2007-04-10  1:59     ` Dave Jones
2007-04-10  2:30       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-10  2:46         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-10  7:07           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-10 22:20             ` Ingo Oeser
2007-04-10  5:07         ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-04-10  5:21           ` Dave Jones
2007-04-10  6:09         ` Torsten Kaiser
2007-04-10  7:08           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-10  7:05         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-10  7:37           ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-10  8:33             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-10  8:41               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-10  8:48                 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-10 22:35                   ` Ingo Oeser
2007-04-10 16:35           ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-10  7:44         ` Russell King
2007-04-10  8:16           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-10  8:59           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-10  9:33             ` Jeff Garzik
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-04-06  8:42 Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-06  9:10 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06  9:44   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-06 15:45     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 15:47       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-06 17:16         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-06 17:27           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 17:31             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 17:34           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 19:06             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-06 19:15               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 19:21                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-06 21:04                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-06 21:07                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-06 19:36           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-06 19:43             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 20:01               ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-06 20:21                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 19:47             ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-06 19:59               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-07 20:31             ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-08  0:38               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-08 15:46                 ` Oleg Nesterov

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