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From: Gautham R Shenoy <ego@in.ibm.com>
To: Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@in.ibm.com>
Cc: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, paulmck@us.ibm.com,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	mingo@elte.hu, dipankar@in.ibm.com, dino@in.ibm.com,
	masami.hiramatsu.pt@hitachi.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 7/8] Clean up workqueue.c with respect to the freezer based cpu-hotplug
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:31:44 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070412100144.GA6673@in.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070412022220.GA10176@in.ibm.com>

On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 07:52:20AM +0530, Srivatsa Vaddagiri wrote:
> I wonder if there is some value in "enforcing" an order in which
> processes get frozen i.e freeze A first before B. That may solve the
> deadlocks we have been discussing wrt kthread_stop and flush_workqueue
> as well.
>
> The idea is similar to how deadlock wrt multiple locks are solved -
> where a ordering is enforced. Take Lock A first before Lock B. 
> 
> If process A waits on B (like in kthread_stop or flush_workqueue), then if we:
> 
> 	1. Insert A and B in a list (freeze_me_first_list)

In that case, A should insert the dependency into the
freeze_me_first_list as B is unaware of the dependency yet.

What if by the time A has inserted the dependency B is already frozen?

Can very well happen right?

A:			B:			freezer
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
						*Check the list. don't find  A/B
						*Mark A freezeable.
						*Mark B freezeable.
			*try_to_freeze();
*insert A, B		.		
 into the		.	
 list.			.
			.		
		  	.
* wait_for_		.
  completion(done);	.			/* Freezer fails at this
  			.			 *  point 
			.			 */
		  	.
		  	.
		  	*complete(done);

*try_to_freeze();

Example: A = a thread doing flush_workqueue.
	 B = worker thread.


Of course, we can always use the freezer_skip around this
wait_for_completion as well as long as the thread A is not marked
PF_NOFREEZE. But with multiple freeze events, it won't be as simple as
that.

> -- 
> Regards,
> vatsa

Thanks and Regards
gautham.
-- 
Gautham R Shenoy
Linux Technology Center
IBM India.
"Freedom comes with a price tag of responsibility, which is still a bargain,
because Freedom is priceless!"

  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-12 10:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-02  5:34 [RFC] Cpu-hotplug: Using the Process Freezer (try2) Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-02  5:37 ` [PATCH 1/8] Enhance process freezer interface for usage beyond software suspend Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-02 13:56   ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-02 20:48     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-02 20:51       ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-06 14:34         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-06 22:20           ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-07  9:33             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-07  9:47               ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-09  3:04         ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-03  7:59       ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-05  9:46   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-05 10:59     ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-05 11:30       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-02  5:37 ` [PATCH 2/8] Make process freezer reentrant Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-05  9:53   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-05 10:19     ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-02  5:38 ` [PATCH 3/8] Use process freezer for cpu-hotplug Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-05 10:53   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-05 12:14     ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-05 13:34       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-06 17:27   ` Nathan Lynch
2007-04-06 17:34     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 17:47       ` Nathan Lynch
2007-04-06 22:22         ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-04-14 18:48       ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-02  5:39 ` [PATCH 4/8] Rip out lock_cpu_hotplug() Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-02  5:40 ` [PATCH 5/8] __cpu_up: use singlethreaded workqueue Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-05 12:08   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-02  5:41 ` [PATCH 6/8] Make non-singlethreaded workqueues freezeable by default Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-05 11:57   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-05 20:06     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-02  5:42 ` [PATCH 7/8] Clean up workqueue.c with respect to the freezer based cpu-hotplug Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-03 11:47   ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-03 13:59     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-03 15:03       ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-03 17:18         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-04 15:28           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-04 17:49             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-05 12:20               ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-12  2:22           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-12 10:01             ` Gautham R Shenoy [this message]
2007-04-12 16:00             ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-13  9:46               ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-02  5:42 ` [PATCH 8/8] Make kernel threads freezeable for cpu-hotplug Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-02  6:16 ` [RFC] Cpu-hotplug: Using the Process Freezer (try2) Ingo Molnar
2007-04-02  9:28   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-02 11:18     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-02 12:42       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-02 14:16         ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-02 18:56         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-03 12:56           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-03 14:15             ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-03 19:25               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-04  3:15               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-04 10:04                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-04 10:41                   ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-04 11:49                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-04 12:24                       ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-02 11:19   ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-02 11:27     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-02 22:12       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-02 13:22   ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-03 12:01   ` Gautham R Shenoy
2007-04-03 19:34     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-04-03 20:24       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 10:06         ` utrace merge Ingo Molnar
2007-04-04 10:36           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-04 18:41             ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 14:01   ` [RFC] Cpu-hotplug: Using the Process Freezer (try2) Gautham R Shenoy

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