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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@pps.jussieu.fr>,
	Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>, ck list <ck@vds.kolivas.org>,
	Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>, Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>,
	William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Peter Williams <pwil3058@bigpond.net.au>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	caglar@pardus.org.tr, Gene Heskett <gene.heskett@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [REPORT] cfs-v4 vs sd-0.44
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:44:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070423204431.GA1240@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070423203317.GA26668@elte.hu>


* Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:

> (we obviously dont want to allow people to 'share' their loans with 
> others ;), nor do we want to allow a net negative balance. CFS is 
> really brutally cold-hearted, it has a strict 'no loans' policy - the 
> easiest economic way to manage 'inflation', besides the basic act of 
> not printing new money, ever.)

sorry, i was a bit imprecise here. There is a case where CFS can give 
out a 'loan' to tasks. The scheduler tick has a low resolution, so it is 
fundamentally inevitable [*] that tasks will run a bit more than they 
should, and at a heavy context-switching rates these errors can add up 
significantly. Furthermore, we want to batch up workloads.

So CFS has a "no loans larger than sched_granularity_ns" policy (which 
defaults to 5msec), and it captures these sub-granularity 'loans' with 
nanosec accounting. This too is a very sane economic policy and is 
anti-infationary :-)

	Ingo

[*] i fundamentally hate 'fundamentally inevitable' conditions so i 
    have plans to make the scheduler tick be fed from the rbtree and 
    thus become a true high-resolution timer. This not only increases 
    fairness (=='precision of scheduling') more, but it also decreases 
    the number of timer interrupts on a running system - extending 
    dynticks to sched-ticks too. Thomas and me shaped dynticks to enable 
    that in an easy way: the scheduler tick is today already a high-res 
    timer (but which is currently still driven via the jiffy mechanism).

  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-23 20:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 149+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-20 14:04 [patch] CFS scheduler, v4 Ingo Molnar
2007-04-20 21:37 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-21 20:47   ` S.Çağlar Onur
2007-04-22  1:22     ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-20 21:39 ` mdew .
2007-04-21  6:47   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-21  7:55     ` [patch] CFS scheduler, v4, for v2.6.20.7 Ingo Molnar
2007-04-21 12:12 ` [REPORT] cfs-v4 vs sd-0.44 Willy Tarreau
2007-04-21 12:40   ` Con Kolivas
2007-04-21 13:02     ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-21 15:46   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-21 16:18     ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-21 16:34       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-21 16:42         ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-21 18:55           ` Kyle Moffett
2007-04-21 19:49             ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-21 23:17               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-21 23:35               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-22  1:46                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-22  7:02                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-22  7:17                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-22  8:48                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-22 16:16                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-23  0:07                           ` Rusty Russell
2007-04-21 16:53         ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-21 16:53         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-21 16:57           ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-21 18:09           ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-21 17:03       ` Geert Bosch
2007-04-21 15:55   ` Con Kolivas
2007-04-21 16:00     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-21 16:12       ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-21 16:39       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-21 17:15       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-21 19:00         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-22 13:18           ` Mark Lord
2007-04-22 13:27             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-22 13:30               ` Mark Lord
2007-04-25  8:16               ` Pavel Machek
2007-04-25  8:22                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-25 10:19                 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-21 22:54       ` Denis Vlasenko
2007-04-22  0:08         ` Con Kolivas
2007-04-22  4:58           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-21 23:59       ` Con Kolivas
2007-04-22 13:04         ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2007-04-22 23:24           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-23  1:34             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-23 15:56               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-23 19:11                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 19:52                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-23 20:33                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 20:44                       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2007-04-23 21:03                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 21:53                       ` Guillaume Chazarain
2007-04-24  7:04                       ` Rogan Dawes
2007-04-24  7:31                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-24  8:25                           ` Rogan Dawes
2007-04-24 15:03                             ` Chris Friesen
2007-04-24 15:07                               ` Rogan Dawes
2007-04-24 15:15                                 ` Chris Friesen
2007-04-24 23:55                                 ` Peter Williams
2007-04-25  9:29                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 22:48                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-24  0:59                       ` Li, Tong N
2007-04-24  1:57                         ` Bill Huey
2007-04-24 18:01                           ` Li, Tong N
2007-04-24 21:27                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-24 22:18                           ` Bernd Eckenfels
2007-04-25  1:22                           ` Li, Tong N
2007-04-25  6:05                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-25  9:44                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-25 11:58                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-25 20:13                                 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-26 17:57                                   ` Li, Tong N
2007-04-26 19:18                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-28 15:12                                       ` Bernd Eckenfels
2007-04-26 23:26                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-24  3:46                     ` Peter Williams
2007-04-24  4:52                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-04-24  6:21                         ` Peter Williams
2007-04-24  6:36                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-24  7:00                             ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-24  7:08                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-24  6:45                                 ` David Lang
2007-04-24  7:24                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-24 14:38                                     ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-24 17:44                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-25  0:30                                         ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-25  0:32                                         ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-24  7:12                                 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-24  7:14                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-24 14:36                                     ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-24  7:25                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-24 14:39                                   ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-24 14:42                                   ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-24  7:33                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-26  0:51                             ` SD renice recommendation was: " Con Kolivas
2007-04-24 15:08                     ` Ray Lee
2007-04-25  9:32                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 20:05                   ` Willy Tarreau
2007-04-24 21:05                   ` 'Scheduler Economy' prototype patch for CFS Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23  2:42             ` [report] renicing X, cfs-v5 vs sd-0.46 Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 15:09               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-23 17:19                 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-23 17:19                 ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-23 19:48                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 20:56                   ` Michael K. Edwards
2007-04-22 13:23         ` [REPORT] cfs-v4 vs sd-0.44 Mark Lord
2007-04-21 18:17   ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-22  1:26     ` Con Kolivas
2007-04-22  2:07       ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-22  8:07     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-22 11:11       ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-22  1:51   ` Con Kolivas
2007-04-21 20:35 ` [patch] CFS scheduler, v4 S.Çağlar Onur
2007-04-22  8:30 ` Michael Gerdau
2007-04-23 22:47   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23  1:12 ` [patch] CFS scheduler, -v5 Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23  1:25   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-23  2:39     ` Gene Heskett
2007-04-23  3:08       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23  2:55     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23  3:22       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-23  3:43         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23  4:06           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-23  7:10             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23  7:25               ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-23  7:35                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23  9:25             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23  3:19   ` [patch] CFS scheduler, -v5 (build problem - make headers_check fails) Zach Carter
2007-04-23 10:03     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23  5:16   ` [patch] CFS scheduler, -v5 Markus Trippelsdorf
2007-04-23  5:27     ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2007-04-23  6:21       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-25 11:43         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-04-25 12:51           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 12:20   ` Guillaume Chazarain
2007-04-23 12:36     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-24 16:54   ` Christian Hesse
2007-04-25  9:25     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-25 10:51       ` Christian Hesse
2007-04-25 10:56         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23  9:28 ` crash with CFS v4 and qemu/kvm (was: [patch] CFS scheduler, v4) Christian Hesse
2007-04-23 10:18   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-23 10:18     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-24 10:54     ` Christian Hesse
2007-04-24 10:54       ` Christian Hesse
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-04-22  4:38 [REPORT] cfs-v4 vs sd-0.44 Al Boldi

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