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From: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: Andy Whitcroft <apw@shadowen.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Mel Gorman <mel@skynet.ie>,
	David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	Badari Pulavarty <pbadari@gmail.com>,
	Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:19:03 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070426151903.GI19966@holomorphy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4630C061.10309@yahoo.com.au>

Andy Whitcroft wrote:
>> To my knowledge, moving to a higher base page size has its advantages in
>> TLB reach, but brings with it some pretty serious downsides.  Especially
>> in caching small files.  Internal fragmentation in the page cache
>> significantly affecting system performance.  So much so that development
>> is ongoing to see if supporting sub-base-page objects in the buffer
>> cache could be beneficial.

On Fri, Apr 27, 2007 at 01:08:17AM +1000, Nick Piggin wrote:
> I think 16K would be pretty reasonable (ia64 tends to use it). I guess
> powerpc went to 64k either because that's what databases want or because
> their TLB refills are too slow, so the internal fragmentation bites
> them a lot harder.
> But that was more of a side comment, because I still think io controllers
> should be easily capable of operation on 4K pages. Graphics cards are,
> aren't they?

Base page size need only be a power-of-two multiple of the MMU pagesize.
ISTR the 64KB PAGE_SIZE in ppc64 being motivated by TLB considerations.

There is not going to be a way to improve how well IO controllers deal
with 4K pages. The scatter/gather lists for smaller fragments will
require more device communication overhead no matter what, and
furthermore, the more discontiguity, the more seekiness.


-- wli

  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-26 15:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 235+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-24 22:21 [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3 clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [01/17] Remove open coded implementation of memclear_highpage flush clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [02/17] Fix page allocation flags in grow_dev_page() clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [03/17] Fix: find_or_create_page does not spread memory clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [04/17] Free up page->private for compound pages clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [05/17] More compound page features clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [06/17] Fix up handling of Compound head pages clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [07/17] vmstat.c: Support accounting for compound pages clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [08/17] Define functions for page cache handling clameter
2007-04-24 23:00   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-25  6:27     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [09/17] Convert PAGE_CACHE_xxx -> page_cache_xxx function calls clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [10/17] Variable Order Page Cache: Add clearing and flushing function clameter
2007-04-26  7:02   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  8:14     ` David Chinner
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [11/17] Readahead support for the variable order page cache clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [12/17] Variable Page Cache Size: Fix up reclaim counters clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [13/17] set_blocksize: Allow to set a larger block size than PAGE_SIZE clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [14/17] Add VM_BUG_ONs to check for correct page order clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [15/17] ramfs: Variable order page cache support clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [16/17] ext2: " clameter
2007-04-24 22:21 ` [17/17] xfs: " clameter
2007-04-25  0:46 ` [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3 Jörn Engel
2007-04-25  0:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-25  3:11 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-25 11:35 ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-25 15:36   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-25 17:53     ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-25 18:03       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-25 18:05         ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-25 18:14           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-25 18:16             ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-25 13:28 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-25 15:23   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-25 22:46 ` Badari Pulavarty
2007-04-26  1:14   ` David Chinner
2007-04-26  1:17     ` David Chinner
2007-04-26  4:51 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26  5:05   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  5:44     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26  6:37       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  9:16         ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26  6:38       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  6:46         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  6:57           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  7:10             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  7:22               ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  7:34                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  7:48                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  9:20                     ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 13:53                       ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-26 14:33                         ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 14:56                           ` Avi Kivity
2007-04-26 15:20                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 17:42                         ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 18:59                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 16:07                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-27 10:05                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 13:06                         ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 13:50                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 18:09                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 23:34                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26  7:48                 ` Questions on printk and console_drivers gshan
2007-04-26 10:06           ` [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3 Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 14:47             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 15:58         ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 16:05           ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 16:16             ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 13:28       ` Alan Cox
2007-04-26 13:30         ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-29 14:12         ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-28 10:55       ` Pierre Ossman
2007-04-28 15:39         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26  5:37   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  6:38     ` David Chinner
2007-04-26  6:50       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  8:40         ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26  8:55           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 10:30             ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 10:54               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 12:23                 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 17:58                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:02                   ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 16:11         ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 17:49           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 18:03             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:03               ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 18:09                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 18:12                   ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 18:24                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-26 18:24                       ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 18:28                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:29                       ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 18:35                         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:39                           ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-26 19:35                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 19:42                               ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-27  4:05                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-27 10:26                                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 13:51                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 20:22                             ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-27  0:21                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27  5:16                               ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-27 10:38           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 10:10       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 13:50         ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 14:40           ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 15:38           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 15:58             ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27  9:46               ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27  0:19           ` Jeremy Higdon
2007-04-26 18:07         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:45           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26 18:59             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 19:21               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-26  6:40     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  6:53       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  7:04         ` David Chinner
2007-04-26  7:07           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  7:11             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  7:17               ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  7:28                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  7:45                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 18:10                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 10:08                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  7:07         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  7:15           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26  7:22             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26  7:42               ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 10:48                 ` Mel Gorman
2007-04-26 12:37                 ` Andy Whitcroft
2007-04-26 14:18                   ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 15:08                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 15:19                     ` William Lee Irwin III [this message]
2007-04-26 15:28                     ` David Chinner
2007-04-26 14:53                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 18:16                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-26 18:21                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-27  0:32                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27 10:22                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 12:58                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27 13:06                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 14:49                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 18:13                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 10:15                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-26 14:49               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-26 18:50 ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-04-27  2:04 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27  2:27   ` David Chinner
2007-04-27  2:53     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27  3:47       ` [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3 (mmap conceptual discussion) Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27  4:20       ` [00/17] Large Blocksize Support V3 David Chinner
2007-04-27  5:15         ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27  5:49           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27  6:55             ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27  7:19               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27  7:26                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27  8:37                   ` David Chinner
2007-04-27 12:01                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 16:36                   ` David Chinner
2007-04-27 17:34                     ` David Chinner
2007-04-27 19:11                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28  1:43                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-28  8:04                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-28  8:22                             ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28  8:32                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-28  8:55                                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28  9:36                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-28 14:09                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-28 18:26                                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 19:19                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-28 21:28                                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28  3:17                         ` David Chinner
2007-04-28  3:49                           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-28  4:56                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28  5:08                             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-28  5:36                               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28  6:24                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-28  6:52                                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-30  5:30                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-28  9:43                             ` Alan Cox
2007-04-28  9:58                               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 10:21                                 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-28 10:25                                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 11:29                                     ` Alan Cox
2007-04-28 14:37                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27  7:22               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27  7:29                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27  7:35                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27  7:43                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27 11:05               ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-27 11:41                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 12:12                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 12:25                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 13:39                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-28  2:27                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-28  2:39                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-28  2:50                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-28  3:16                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-28  8:16                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-27 16:48                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 13:37                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-27 12:14                   ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-27 12:36                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-27 13:42                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-27 11:58                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-27 13:44               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27 19:15                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28  2:21                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-27  6:09           ` David Chinner
2007-04-27  7:04             ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27  8:03               ` David Chinner
2007-04-27  8:48                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27 16:45                   ` Theodore Tso
2007-05-04 13:33                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-07  4:29                       ` David Chinner
2007-05-07  4:48                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-07  5:27                           ` David Chinner
2007-05-07  6:43                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-07  6:49                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-07  7:06                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-08  8:49                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-07 16:06                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-07 17:29                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-04 12:57                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-04 13:31                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-04 16:11                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-05-07  4:58                   ` David Chinner
2007-05-07  6:56                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-07 15:17                       ` Weigert, Daniel
2007-04-27 16:55           ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-27 17:32             ` Nicholas Miell
2007-04-27 18:12               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-28 16:39 ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-04-30  5:23   ` Christoph Lameter

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