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From: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>
To: "Francesco Pretto" <ceztko@gmail.com>
Cc: Stephen.Clark@seclark.us, "Dave Jones" <davej@redhat.com>,
	"Tejun Heo" <htejun@gmail.com>, "Phillip Susi" <psusi@cfl.rr.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Weird hard disk noise on shutdown (bug #7674)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 19:52:52 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200705161952.53200.rob@landley.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e5ab0f710705160649s5a8a0ef8s8ba7f4be76bc873c@mail.gmail.com>

On Wednesday 16 May 2007 9:49 am, Francesco Pretto wrote:
> 2007/5/16, Stephen Clark <Stephen.Clark@seclark.us>:
> > >On Tuesday 15 May 2007 5:08 pm, Dave Jones wrote:
> > >
> > >I'm confused.  Could someone please explain?
> > >
> > I agree. This didn't happen when I was just using the ide driver, why
> > can't libata work as well
> > as the old ide driver.
> >
> 
> Read my reply to that post. To summarize: libata, prior to 2.6.22rc1,
> lacked the feature to spindown the hard disk. The last discussion was
> about who's responsable to issue the STANDBYNOW command to the hard
> disk. Response from the discussion is: the kernel. Trying to issue it
> form userspace (iff your shutdown(8) implementation do so) will now
> result in a big fat warning, until these compatibility measures will
> be dropped from the kernel (soon or later).

The last bit was what threw me.  It seemed that the kernel was changed to do 
the right thing, but only as a compatability measure that would be dropped 
because userspace should be changed to start doing it (which seemed crazy).

It seems that the _warning_ is the compatability measure that will be dropped 
(or perhaps the ability for userspace to do the wrong thing at all?), and the 
kernel will continue to DTRT.

It's a bit confusing for those of us coming in late in the discussion. :)

Rob

  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-16 23:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <fa.Ia7dfo7Zd5kB6KhSYisfswa1aj4@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.YHt2nIlQmoW5r2enmTSzsaySwH4@ifi.uio.no>
2007-02-22  2:43   ` Weird hard disk noise on shutdown (bug #7674) Robert Hancock
2007-02-23 20:35     ` Francesco Pretto
     [not found]       ` <e5ab0f710703020009u2b94fb72ja51e85b8b90eaba0@mail.gmail.com>
2007-03-02 23:43         ` Dan Gilliam
2007-05-04 19:12       ` Phillip Susi
2007-05-04 20:39         ` Tejun Heo
2007-05-06 18:19           ` Francesco Pretto
2007-05-06 18:24             ` Tejun Heo
2007-05-14 17:32             ` Tejun Heo
2007-05-14 20:46               ` Francesco Pretto
2007-05-15  6:59                 ` Tejun Heo
2007-05-15 13:16                 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-15 13:47                   ` Tejun Heo
2007-05-15 21:08               ` Dave Jones
2007-05-16  5:29                 ` Rob Landley
2007-05-16  9:15                   ` Francesco Pretto
2007-05-16 11:38                     ` Tejun Heo
2007-05-16 23:47                     ` Rob Landley
2007-05-17  9:12                       ` Tejun Heo
2007-05-16 11:41                   ` Tejun Heo
2007-05-16 23:48                     ` Rob Landley
2007-05-17  0:58                       ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-17  3:05                         ` Rob Landley
2007-05-17  3:39                           ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-05-17 15:04                             ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-05-18  7:16                               ` Rob Landley
2007-05-18 12:35                                 ` Alan Cox
2007-05-18 18:27                                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-05-17  9:14                       ` Tejun Heo
2007-05-16 12:47                   ` Stephen Clark
2007-05-16 13:49                     ` Francesco Pretto
2007-05-16 23:52                       ` Rob Landley [this message]
2007-05-16 11:38                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]   ` <fa.7/l6y5w9DWACpMl9PLWnCeZVtaY@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]     ` <fa.jM0Jz2vqE6sFKJ24x7Krs9Md4+Y@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]       ` <fa.htPXmkKzsdLgiNC0YHDJwdgDLHg@ifi.uio.no>
2007-02-23  0:25         ` Robert Hancock
     [not found] <fa.3exEXR8lVInBQnVOUQZm+V7aqZE@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.SUiPva6BdeZMJsAbFE/HC5i0jfs@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa.YdL5PeKPp7ARbGWGIgctXVh/iLQ@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]     ` <fa.xsAgWkCiu+x5MGhvd/b5EHrU+ic@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]       ` <fa.FUWb3SroQ9sotSIAakSnOjAJ6Ks@ifi.uio.no>
2007-02-22 14:34         ` Robert Hancock
     [not found] <fa.Fk9DulKIUBewV0V2B72MDzbelmU@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.RCbhxyLCSR5f65HWabMGmxZNYQ4@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa.G4k+9fbJDE0N5pygu22mRYU6gfE@ifi.uio.no>
2007-02-22  6:27     ` Robert Hancock
2007-02-22  7:11       ` Tejun Heo
2007-02-22 11:33       ` Francesco Pretto
2007-02-21 22:15 Francesco Pretto
2007-02-21 23:55 ` Alan
2007-02-22  1:01   ` Francesco Pretto
2007-02-22 13:53     ` Alan
2007-02-22 15:22       ` Rolf Offermanns
2007-02-22 22:47       ` Francesco Pretto

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