From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Hp7BM-0008Ke-Nq for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2007 14:28:04 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hp7BK-0008KN-VM for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2007 14:28:02 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hp7BI-0008KA-Ju for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2007 14:28:01 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hp7BI-0008K7-Dn for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2007 14:28:00 -0400 Received: from [212.85.152.101] (helo=kotoba.storever.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Hp7BI-0001fV-2Z for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 May 2007 14:28:00 -0400 Received: from kotoba.oasis.nexedi.com (kotoba.oasis.nexedi.com [212.85.152.101]) by kotoba.storever.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A943D021C8A for ; Sat, 19 May 2007 00:32:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [??1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kotoba.storever.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71D53D015D26 for ; Sat, 19 May 2007 00:32:56 +0200 (CEST) From: "Yoshinori K. Okuji" Organization: enbug.org To: The development of GRUB 2 Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 20:27:57 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <20070511160314.GA30111@aragorn> <200705172118.41691.okuji@enbug.org> <20070518063735.GB1783@aragorn> In-Reply-To: <20070518063735.GB1783@aragorn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200705182027.57391.okuji@enbug.org> X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=0.17.2 X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) Subject: Re: [PATCH] grub-install for EFI X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 18:28:03 -0000 On Friday 18 May 2007 08:37, Robert Millan wrote: > > Providing a rudimentary tool rather harms the user. > > What do you mean? It's almost the same that the powerpc version does. The powerpc version is not a good reference. From my point of view, it is far from user-friendly. When the user invokes grub-install, she expects that she can "install" GRUB, as the name stands for. The best reference in GRUB is still the i386-pc version. The others should follow it as much as possible. > > http://www.hmug.org/man/8/bless.php > > I see.. but user still can boot grub.efi manualy via EFI shell, right? If an EFI shell is available, yes. On Intel Mac, the shell is not available by default, because of the graphics mode. For now, the only way to boot GRUB is to start Mac OS X and bless a boot image, or use a small program to switch to text mode and boot GRUB from a shell. Okuji