From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1HtNvJ-0006Pl-9c for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2007 09:09:09 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HtNvH-0006PD-Di for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2007 09:09:07 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HtNvE-0006O4-Ir for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2007 09:09:06 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HtNvE-0006O0-Ap for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2007 09:09:04 -0400 Received: from aybabtu.com ([69.60.117.155]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HtNvE-00037e-05 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2007 09:09:04 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.6] (helo=aragorn) by aybabtu.com with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HtNvC-0006b9-KW for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2007 15:09:03 +0200 Received: from rmh by aragorn with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HtNxt-0001Gp-8X for grub-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 May 2007 15:11:49 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 15:11:49 +0200 From: Robert Millan To: The development of GRUB 2 Message-ID: <20070530131149.GA4771@aragorn> References: <10779735.post@talk.nabble.com> <20070524160348.GA13048@aragorn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: free as in freedom X-Message-Flag: Microsoft discourages use of Outlook. X-Debbugs-No-Ack: true User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-detected-kernel: Genre and OS details not recognized. Subject: Re: TPM chip and Grub bootloader X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:09:07 -0000 On Fri, May 25, 2007 at 11:06:49AM +0200, Patrick Georgi wrote: > > As so often, it can be used for, and against the user. Do these chips support so-called "owner override" ? If they don't, then this tool contains logic specificaly designed to be used _against_ the user, and your argument that "it can be used for good or bad" doesn't hold: It is not like a hammer, it's like a gun. -- Robert Millan My spam trap is honeypot@aybabtu.com. Note: this address is only intended for spam harvesters. Writing to it will get you added to my black list.