From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1HwLJD-0006n8-SC for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:58:03 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HwLJC-0006mr-PK for grub-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:58:02 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HwLJB-0006mf-CZ for grub-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:58:02 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HwLJB-0006mc-7G for grub-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:58:01 -0400 Received: from aybabtu.com ([69.60.117.155]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HwLJA-0007y0-Ve for grub-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:58:01 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.6] (helo=aragorn) by aybabtu.com with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HwLJ8-0000NB-BC for grub-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:57:59 +0200 Received: from rmh by aragorn with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HwLJi-0005xq-Mq for grub-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 18:58:34 +0200 Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 18:58:34 +0200 From: Robert Millan To: The development of GRUB 2 Message-ID: <20070607165834.GA22494@aragorn> References: <4666F73B.5050507@raulete.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4666F73B.5050507@raulete.net> Organization: free as in freedom X-Message-Flag: Microsoft discourages use of Outlook. X-Debbugs-No-Ack: true User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-detected-kernel: Genre and OS details not recognized. Subject: Re: Grub Loading Linux? kernel X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 16:58:03 -0000 On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 08:04:43PM +0200, adrian15 wrote: > When you boot Grub... it prompts something like: > > Grub loading kernel > > then you see: > > Welcome to GRUB. > > and then you see the prompt. > > Let's see an irc conversation of the future. > > noob> Hey My Grub loads the linux kernel but then nothing happens. > master> noob, if Grub loads the linux kernel then if it does not boot > it's usually a linux kernel problem not a grub one. > noob> What should I do then? > master> Go to #linux channel and ask there please. I think this is just another variant of the same "Linux" / "kernel" confusion that makes users think of Linux as the whole OS. This is confusing and contradictory, and this confusion is exposed in other areas. For example, because Linux "is" the whole OS, they can't use "Linux" to refer to the real Linux (i.e. the kernel), so they call it "Kernel". That is also contradictory, and the confusion spreads again. Now if you say "kernel", it turns out you must be talking about Linux! I don't think that GRUB nomenclature should be modelled around this scheme that is based on misconceptions. Rather, precisely because GRUB exposes these contradictions, this should encourage other people to realise about them. OTOH, if you replace: "GRUB loading kernel" with: "Loading GRUB kernel" Maybe this archieves to resolve both concerns? -- Robert Millan My spam trap is honeypot@aybabtu.com. Note: this address is only intended for spam harvesters. Writing to it will get you added to my black list.