From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1I2C5N-0007Dz-Ei for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:19:57 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I2C5M-0007Dr-8l for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:19:56 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I2C5K-0007Df-GC for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:19:55 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I2C5K-0007Dc-9I for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:19:54 -0400 Received: from [212.85.152.101] (helo=kotoba.storever.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1I2C5J-0005C6-QT for grub-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:19:54 -0400 Received: from kotoba.oasis.nexedi.com (kotoba.oasis.nexedi.com [212.85.152.101]) by kotoba.storever.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0E83D2346AF for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 02:40:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [??1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kotoba.storever.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1E33D2009AE for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 02:40:25 +0200 (CEST) From: "Yoshinori K. Okuji" Organization: enbug.org To: The development of GRUB 2 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:19:49 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <46752D5B.1000001@nic.fi> <20070623162316.GA2440@ws3.vdp.com> <87odj6mxs6.fsf@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <87odj6mxs6.fsf@xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200706232219.49349.okuji@enbug.org> X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=0.17.2 X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) Subject: Re: status update for grub 2 developments? X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:19:56 -0000 On Saturday 23 June 2007 18:38, Marco Gerards wrote: > Bean writes: > > On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 06:10:10PM +0200, Marco Gerards wrote: > >> The best thing, according to most people working on GRUB (from what I > >> can tell) is a bug tracking system combined with something that tracks > >> tasks, what people are interested on, descriptions of how tasks should > >> be performed, etc. That is something I like as well. > > > > I notice that savannah has a bug tracking system, but it's filled with > > stuff from GRUB Legacy, maybe grub2 should have a tracking system of its > > own. > > Yes. The question is what it will be. No. I never recommend using external resources. Even though the bug tracker on Savannah sucks, it is more or less usable. You can add a new field with which you can indicate whether your version is legacy or 2. People often tend to think about software quality, but the really important thing in services is the maintenance. It is surely easy to set up a server, but it is very tough to maintain such a server for years (especially without being paid), dealing with hardware and software failures, answering silly questions, taking care of vulnerabilities, and so on. gnu.org is maintained. It is financially supported. Even if the software is far from the best, you should use it. If you are not satisfied, improve savane rather than going away. You might want to think of another web site. But is there any good alternative to savannah, from the viewpoint of functions as well as software freedom? And is there any good reason that we, a part of the GNU project, would like to abandone savannah and move away to anything else? Please consider my words carefully, before proposing not using savannah. (The wiki is exceptional, but as you might know, I was working on implementing wiki support in savane some years ago, but I could not finish it due to lack of time. If anybody can finish it, I would be happy to throw away our own wiki site, and move to savannah.) Okuji