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From: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
To: "Dmitry Torokhov" <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
Cc: "Indan Zupancic" <indan@nul.nu>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Stephen Hemminger" <shemminger@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, bwalle@suse.de
Subject: Re: blink driver power saving
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:39:27 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200707021439.27357.ak@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d120d5000707020531y43d41b6fl46e05c8343dbbeae@mail.gmail.com>


> > Perhaps one of you geniuses who all hate it can find a better way to
> > solve the "video output dead after kexec; but need visual feedback to the user
> > while crash dumping" problem. I'm waiting for your patches.
> >
> 
> I don't don't like it ;) Unfortunately too many people end up enabling

Yes that's pretty weird. I admit I hadn't expected
that problem. blink is equivalent to "annoy me" and it
is a mystery why so many people should willingly ask their computer to 
annoy them.

Or perhaps they update their configs with yes | make oldconfig? 

User psychology can be mysterious.

I wonder if the kernel offered a CONFIG_FORMAT_FILESYSTEMS_AT_BOOT
how many people would enable that @) Might be an interesting experiment
for next April.

> it and having issues with their keyboards.

Forcing a suitable slow rate should fix that shouldn't it? We need
that anyways to stop the "setleds DOS". 

> Can we have it depend on 
> DEBUG_KERNEL? 

Yes that would be probably a good idea; even though it is technically
not correct: the debug kernel doesn't try to debug itself. But anyways,
it's probably the best place.

> And probably KEXEC as well? 

The kcrash kernel doesn't necessarily need to have kexec enabled by
itself.

> Another option would be for it not use panic_blink. Do your kexec
> kernels have atkbd support enabled? You could write an new "blink"
> input handler that would latch to keyboards supporting leds and blink
> by sending EV_LED events.

Yes that would be probably a better implementation. Also hook something
for USB keyboards. iirc Bernhard Walle (cc'ed) was looking at that.

-Andi

  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-02 12:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-02 11:43 blink driver power saving Indan Zupancic
2007-07-02 11:51 ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-02 12:29   ` Indan Zupancic
2007-07-02 12:31   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-07-02 12:39     ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2007-07-02 12:56       ` Bernhard Walle
2007-07-02 13:42       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-07-02 13:43         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-07-02 20:19           ` Bernhard Walle
2007-07-04 21:47           ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-05  5:25             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-07-02 23:08       ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-03  5:42         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-07-04 21:40           ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-04 21:57           ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-04 22:11           ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-05  5:38             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-07-12  9:10               ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-13  0:42                 ` Jiri Kosina
2007-07-04 22:32           ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-04 22:46             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-04 22:59               ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                 ` <alpine.LFD.0.98.0707041610530.9434@woody.linux-foundation.org>
2007-07-04 23:20                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-03  7:12         ` Bernhard Walle
2007-07-04 19:37           ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 20:30             ` Bill Davidsen
     [not found] <8CaWr-2o4-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <8Cfjl-PJ-33@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <8CfW1-1TX-23@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <8ChEo-4yy-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
2007-07-02 13:11       ` Bodo Eggert
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-07-01 16:50 Stephen Hemminger
2007-07-01 18:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-01 21:29   ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-01 22:14     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-01 23:59       ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-02 15:51         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-02 16:59           ` Alan Cox
2007-07-02 17:50         ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-07-02 19:03           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-07-02 19:08           ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-02 23:18             ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-01 21:26 ` Andi Kleen

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