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From: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Fengguang Wu <wfg@mail.ustc.edu.cn>, riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Tim Pepper <lnxninja@us.ibm.com>, Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] readahead: scale max readahead size depending on memory size
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 18:44:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070722164403.GU11657@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1185095852.20032.229.camel@twins>

On Sun, Jul 22 2007, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-07-22 at 10:50 +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 22 2007, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2007-07-22 at 10:24 +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > > > On Sat, Jul 21 2007, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > +static __init int readahead_init(void)
> > > > > +{
> > > > > +	/*
> > > > > +	 * Scale the max readahead window with system memory
> > > > > +	 *
> > > > > +	 *   64M:   128K
> > > > > +	 *  128M:   180K
> > > > > +	 *  256M:   256K
> > > > > +	 *  512M:   360K
> > > > > +	 *    1G:   512K
> > > > > +	 *    2G:   724K
> > > > > +	 *    4G:  1024K
> > > > > +	 *    8G:  1448K
> > > > > +	 *   16G:  2048K
> > > > > +	 */
> > > > > +	ra_pages = int_sqrt(totalram_pages/16);
> > > > > +	if (ra_pages > (2 << (20 - PAGE_SHIFT)))
> > > > > +		ra_pages = 2 << (20 - PAGE_SHIFT);
> > > > > +
> > > > > +	return 0;
> > > > > +}
> > > > 
> > > > How did you come up with these numbers?
> > > 
> > > Well, most other places in the kernel where we scale by memory size we
> > > use the a sqrt curve, and the specific scale was the result of some
> > > fiddling, these numbers looked sane to me, nothing special.
> > > 
> > > Would you suggest a different set, and if so, do you have any rationale
> > > for them?
> > 
> > I just wish you had a rationale behind them, I don't think it's that
> > great of a series.
> 
> Well, I was quite ignorant of the issues you just pointed out. Thanks
> those do indeed provide basis for a more solid set.
> 
> >  I agree with the low point of 128k.
> 
> Perhaps that should be enforced then, because currently a system with
> <64M will get less.

I think it should remain the low point.

> >  Then it'd be sane
> > to try and determine what the upper limit of ra window size goodness is,
> > which is probably impossible since it depends on the hardware a lot. But
> > lets just say the upper value is 2mb, then I think it's pretty silly
> > _not_ to use 2mb on a 1g machine for instance. So more aggressive
> > scaling.
> 
> Right, I was being a little conservative here.
> 
> > Then there's the relationship between nr of requests and ra size. When
> > you leave everything up to a simple sqrt of total_ram type thing, then
> > you are sure to hit stupid values that cause a queue size of a number of
> > full requests, plus a small one at the end. Clearly not optimal!
> 
> And this is where Wu's point of power of two series comes into play,
> right?
> 
> So something like:
> 
>   roundup_pow_of_two(int_sqrt((totalram_pages << (PAGE_SHIFT-10))))
> 
> 
> 		memory in MB		RA window in KB
>                             64                            128
>                            128                            256
>                            256                            256
>                            512                            512
>                           1024                            512
>                           2048                           1024
>                           4096                           1024
>                           8192                           2048
>                          16384                           2048
>                          32768                           4096
>                          65536                           4096

Only if you assume that max request size is always a power of 2. That's
usually true, but there are cases where it's 124kb for instance.

And there's still an issue when max_sectors isn't the deciding factor,
if we end up having to stop merging on a request because we hit other
limitations.

So there's definitely room for improvement! Even today, btw, it's not
all because of these changes.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-22 16:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-21 21:00 [PATCH 0/3] readahead drop behind and size adjustment Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-21 21:00 ` [PATCH 1/3] readahead: drop behind Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-21 20:29   ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-21 20:37     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-21 20:59       ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-21 21:06         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-25  3:55   ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-21 21:00 ` [PATCH 2/3] readahead: fadvise drop behind controls Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-21 21:00 ` [PATCH 3/3] readahead: scale max readahead size depending on memory size Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-22  8:24   ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-22  8:36     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-22  8:50       ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-22  9:17         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-22 16:44           ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2007-07-23 10:04             ` Jörn Engel
2007-07-23 10:11               ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-23 22:44               ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-22 23:52         ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-23  5:22           ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-22  8:45   ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-22  8:45     ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-22  8:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-22  9:53         ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-22  9:53           ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-22  2:39 ` [PATCH 0/3] readahead drop behind and size adjustment Fengguang Wu
2007-07-22  2:39   ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-22  2:44   ` Dave Jones
2007-07-22  8:10     ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-22  8:10       ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-22  8:24         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-22  8:29           ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-22  8:29             ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-22  8:33       ` Rusty Russell
2007-07-22  8:45         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-23  9:00         ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-23 14:24           ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-23 14:24             ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-23 19:40               ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24  0:47                 ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-24  0:47                   ` Fengguang Wu
2007-07-24  1:17                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24  8:50                       ` Andreas Dilger
2007-07-24  4:30                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  4:35           ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25  5:19             ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  6:18               ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25  7:09                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-25  7:48                   ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25 15:36                     ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-25 15:33                   ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-29  7:44                   ` Eric St-Laurent
2007-07-25 15:28               ` Rik van Riel

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