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From: Axel Neumann <axel@open-mesh.net>
To: The list for a Better Approach To Mobile Ad-hoc Networking
	<b.a.t.m.a.n@open-mesh.net>
Subject: Re: [B.A.T.M.A.N.] dynamic gateway / hna / services
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:03:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200707281003.40203.axel@open-mesh.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E49DEA7-86FD-478C-B9D6-C5388F7F6EE3@lo-res.org>

Hello,

On Friday 27 July 2007 22:41, Aaron Kaplan wrote:
> >> I just again and again get the feeling from batman people that sort
> >> of "everything else sucks"
> >> Like academia sucks, olsr sucks etc etc.
> >> But that is a bit contra-productive. That is what I wanted to
> >> point out.
> >
> > Where does this feeling come from ?
>
> I think there has been enough academia bashing (completely useless!)
> in the past.
> If you look up the old mails then you know what I mean. 

Sorry, I still have difficulties to understand. I looked up the old mails (of 
this mailing list) and found only one mail mentioning "academic" and that was 
in march, so i am not sure if you are referring to that. 

Anyway, if there was bashing (on whatever) then I am sorry, but it also would 
be just fair to give a reasonable hint (in a reasonable time) to the 
statements that caused the bad feelings. Otherwise it causes just reproaches 
without leaving a chance to defend/explain and even worse at a time where 
nobody remembers what the actual thread was about.
The same applies to olsr but here i want to add that comparing batman with 
existing state of the art solutions is usual and wanted. I admit , personally 
I might be a bit biased but thats why we have this public mailing list, so 
that everybody can question the given statements and come up with precise and 
concrete counter arguments.

> I am quite 
> convinced that academia already overtook
> the freifunk style networks some time ago! And you just don't notice it.

Can you provide further (background-)links on that (especially interesting 
would be those based on real world tests as addressed below)?

best regards,
axel

> Again: I do NOT really think about OLSR so much in particular.
> I just wanted to give you some feedback.
> You could also sum the feedback up as:
>
>    "Hochmut/Arroganz kommt vor dem Fall"
>
> I hope I am wrong.
>
> nevertheless, I am very curious when the next real world tests come out.
> Well, again. Just my personal feelings and observations. I hope I am
> wrong.
>
> ciao,
> a.
>
>
>
>
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  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-28  8:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-24 13:21 [B.A.T.M.A.N.] dynamic gateway / hna / services Freifunk Dresden
2007-07-24 18:35 ` Daniel Poelzleithner
2007-07-25 11:50   ` Alexander Morlang
2007-07-25 12:52     ` tetzlav
2007-07-25 15:06       ` Alexander Morlang
2007-07-25 15:19         ` Daniel Poelzleithner
2007-07-25 16:05           ` Alexander Morlang
2007-07-25 17:25             ` Daniel Poelzleithner
2007-07-26 12:33               ` Alexander Morlang
2007-07-25 16:21         ` clauz
2007-07-25 15:05     ` Daniel Poelzleithner
2007-07-25 14:56   ` Marek Lindner
2007-07-27 14:07 ` Marek Lindner
2007-07-27 14:43   ` Aaron Kaplan
2007-07-27 15:23     ` Marek Lindner
2007-07-27 16:03       ` Aaron Kaplan
2007-07-27 16:40         ` Marek Lindner
2007-07-27 20:41           ` Aaron Kaplan
2007-07-28  8:03             ` Axel Neumann [this message]
2007-07-27 14:59   ` Lui
2007-07-27 15:31     ` Marek Lindner
2007-08-02 14:26 ` Axel Neumann
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-08-03  9:31 Freifunk Dresden
2007-08-04  9:43 ` Axel Neumann
2007-08-04 21:38   ` Freifunk Dresden
2007-08-20 13:10   ` Alexander Morlang
2007-08-04 10:34 ` Marek Lindner

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