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From: Jan Blunck <jblunck@suse.de>
To: Erez Zadok <ezk@cs.sunysb.edu>
Cc: Dave Kleikamp <shaggy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Josef Sipek <jsipek@fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Bharata B Rao <bharata@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	hch@infradead.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 12/26] ext2 white-out support
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 14:05:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070802120524.GY5101@hasse.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200708012206.l71M6ai6028268@agora.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>

On Wed, Aug 01, Erez Zadok wrote:

> There are three other reasons why Unionfs and our users like to have
> multiple writable branches:
> 

...

>    And yes, it does make our implementation more complex.

And error-prone and unflexible wrt to changes. When XIP was introduced,
unionfs crashed all over this changes. I don't know if this has changed
yet. Not speaking of other issues like calling back into VFS (stack usage),
locking problems and so on.

> 3. Some people use Unionfs in the scenario described in point #2 above, as a
>    poor man's space- and load- distribution system.  Some of our users like
>    the idea of controlling how much storage space they give each branch, and
>    how much it might grow, and even how much CPU or I/O load might be placed
>    on each of the lower filesystems which serve a given branch.  That way
>    they worry less about the top-layer's space filling up more quickly than
>    expected.  Now Unionfs was never designed to be a load-balancing f/s (we
>    have RAIF for that, see <http://www.filesystems.org/project-raif.html>),
>    but users seems to always find creative ways to [ab]use one's software in
>    ways one never thought of. :-)

And this has nothing to do with unioning ...

> BTW, does Union Mounts copyup on meta-data changes (e.g., chmod, chgrp,
> etc.)?

No. But it was proposed during on of the last postings.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-02 12:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-30 16:13 [RFC 00/26] VFS based Union Mount (V2) Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 01/26] [PATCH 14/18] shmem: convert to using splice instead of sendfile() Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 02/26] VFS: Export dput_path() and path_to_nameidata() Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 03/26] VFS: Make lookup_hash() return a struct path Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 04/26] VFS: Make lookup_create() " Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 05/26] VFS: cache_lookup() cleanup Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 06/26] VFS: Make real_lookup() return a struct path Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 07/26] VFS: Introduce dput() variante that maintains a kill-list Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 08/26] VFS: Export lives_below_in_same_fs() Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 09/26] linux/stat.h: Add the filetype white-out Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 10/26] VFS white-out handling Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 11/26] tmpfs white-out support Jan Blunck
2007-08-01 15:13   ` Hugh Dickins
2007-08-02  2:48     ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 12/26] ext2 " Jan Blunck
2007-07-31  3:45   ` Theodore Tso
2007-07-31  7:44     ` Jan Blunck
2007-07-31  8:32       ` Andreas Dilger
2007-07-31  9:08         ` Jan Blunck
2007-07-31 10:53       ` Theodore Tso
2007-08-02 19:31         ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-31 16:36   ` Josef Sipek
2007-07-31 17:00     ` Jan Blunck
2007-07-31 17:11       ` Josef Sipek
2007-08-01 15:23         ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-08-01 18:44           ` Josef Sipek
2007-08-01 19:10             ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-08-01 19:33               ` Josef Sipek
2007-08-01 19:52                 ` Dave Kleikamp
2007-08-01 22:06                   ` Erez Zadok
2007-08-02 12:05                     ` Jan Blunck [this message]
2007-08-02 11:55                 ` Jan Blunck
2007-08-02 17:50                 ` Jörn Engel
2007-08-02 17:50                   ` Jörn Engel
2007-08-02 18:15                   ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-08-02  5:24             ` Ph. Marek
2007-08-02 12:12               ` Jan Blunck
2007-08-02 10:26         ` Jan Blunck
2007-08-01 10:00       ` Hans-Peter Jansen
2007-08-01 11:43         ` Josef Sipek
2007-08-01 18:01         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-31 17:03     ` Mark Williamson
2007-07-31 17:16       ` Josef Sipek
2007-08-01 17:58     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-08-01 18:03       ` Josef Sipek
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 13/26] ext3 whiteout support Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 14/26] union-mount: Documentation Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 15/26] union-mount: Add union-mount mount flag Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 16/26] union-mount: Introduce union_mount structure Jan Blunck
2007-08-06  5:57   ` Bharata B Rao
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 17/26] union-mount: Drive the union cache via dcache Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 18/26] union-mount: Changes to the namespace handling Jan Blunck
2007-08-08 10:10   ` Bharata B Rao
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 19/26] union-mount: Make lookup work for union-mounted file systems Jan Blunck
2007-08-09  5:42   ` Bharata B Rao
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 20/26] union-mount: Simple union-mount readdir implementation Jan Blunck
2007-08-06 11:08   ` Bharata B Rao
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 21/26] union-mount: in-kernel file copy between union mounted filesystems Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 22/26] union-mount: white-out changes for copy-on-open Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 23/26] union-mount: copyup on rename Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 24/26] union-mount: dont report EROFS for union mounts Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 25/26] union-mount: Debug Infrastructure Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 16:13 ` [RFC 26/26] union-mount: Debug code Jan Blunck
2007-07-30 18:23 ` [RFC 00/26] VFS based Union Mount (V2) Al Boldi
2007-08-02  6:49 ` Bharata B Rao
2007-08-02 10:17   ` Jan Blunck

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