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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Cc: Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Satyam Sharma <satyam@infradead.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
	Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>,
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	segher@kernel.crashing.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:01:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070817010108.GJ16957@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070816235902.GB11594@gondor.apana.org.au>

On Fri, Aug 17, 2007 at 07:59:02AM +0800, Herbert Xu wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 09:34:41AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> >
> > The compiler can also reorder non-volatile accesses.  For an example
> > patch that cares about this, please see:
> > 
> > 	http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/7/280
> > 
> > This patch uses an ORDERED_WRT_IRQ() in rcu_read_lock() and
> > rcu_read_unlock() to ensure that accesses aren't reordered with respect
> > to interrupt handlers and NMIs/SMIs running on that same CPU.
> 
> Good, finally we have some code to discuss (even though it's
> not actually in the kernel yet).

There was some earlier in this thread as well.

> First of all, I think this illustrates that what you want
> here has nothing to do with atomic ops.  The ORDERED_WRT_IRQ
> macro occurs a lot more times in your patch than atomic
> reads/sets.  So *assuming* that it was necessary at all,
> then having an ordered variant of the atomic_read/atomic_set
> ops could do just as well.

Indeed.  If I could trust atomic_read()/atomic_set() to cause the compiler
to maintain ordering, then I could just use them instead of having to
create an  ORDERED_WRT_IRQ().  (Or ACCESS_ONCE(), as it is called in a
different patch.)

> However, I still don't know which atomic_read/atomic_set in
> your patch would be broken if there were no volatile.  Could
> you please point them out?

Suppose I tried replacing the ORDERED_WRT_IRQ() calls with
atomic_read() and atomic_set().  Starting with __rcu_read_lock():

o	If "ORDERED_WRT_IRQ(__get_cpu_var(rcu_flipctr)[idx])++"
	was ordered by the compiler after
	"ORDERED_WRT_IRQ(me->rcu_read_lock_nesting) = nesting + 1", then
	suppose an NMI/SMI happened after the rcu_read_lock_nesting but
	before the rcu_flipctr.

	Then if there was an rcu_read_lock() in the SMI/NMI
	handler (which is perfectly legal), the nested rcu_read_lock()
	would believe that it could take the then-clause of the
	enclosing "if" statement.  But because the rcu_flipctr per-CPU
	variable had not yet been incremented, an RCU updater would
	be within its rights to assume that there were no RCU reads
	in progress, thus possibly yanking a data structure out from
	under the reader in the SMI/NMI function.

	Fatal outcome.  Note that only one CPU is involved here
	because these are all either per-CPU or per-task variables.

o	If "ORDERED_WRT_IRQ(me->rcu_read_lock_nesting) = nesting + 1"
	was ordered by the compiler to follow the
	"ORDERED_WRT_IRQ(me->rcu_flipctr_idx) = idx", and an NMI/SMI
	happened between the two, then an __rcu_read_lock() in the NMI/SMI
	would incorrectly take the "else" clause of the enclosing "if"
	statement.  If some other CPU flipped the rcu_ctrlblk.completed
	in the meantime, then the __rcu_read_lock() would (correctly)
	write the new value into rcu_flipctr_idx.

	Well and good so far.  But the problem arises in
	__rcu_read_unlock(), which then decrements the wrong counter.
	Depending on exactly how subsequent events played out, this could
	result in either prematurely ending grace periods or never-ending
	grace periods, both of which are fatal outcomes.

And the following are not needed in the current version of the
patch, but will be in a future version that either avoids disabling
irqs or that dispenses with the smp_read_barrier_depends() that I
have 99% convinced myself is unneeded:

o	nesting = ORDERED_WRT_IRQ(me->rcu_read_lock_nesting);

o	idx = ORDERED_WRT_IRQ(rcu_ctrlblk.completed) & 0x1;

Furthermore, in that future version, irq handlers can cause the same
mischief that SMI/NMI handlers can in this version.

Next, looking at __rcu_read_unlock():

o	If "ORDERED_WRT_IRQ(me->rcu_read_lock_nesting) = nesting - 1"
	was reordered by the compiler to follow the
	"ORDERED_WRT_IRQ(__get_cpu_var(rcu_flipctr)[idx])--",
	then if an NMI/SMI containing an rcu_read_lock() occurs between
	the two, this nested rcu_read_lock() would incorrectly believe
	that it was protected by an enclosing RCU read-side critical
	section as described in the first reversal discussed for
	__rcu_read_lock() above.  Again, fatal outcome.

This is what we have now.  It is not hard to imagine situations that
interact with -both- interrupt handlers -and- other CPUs, as described
earlier.

							Thanx, Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-17  1:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 315+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-09 13:14 [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures Chris Snook
2007-08-09 12:41 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-08-09 14:29   ` Chris Snook
2007-08-09 15:30     ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-08-14 22:31 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 22:45   ` Chris Snook
2007-08-14 22:51     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-14 23:08   ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-14 23:04     ` Chris Snook
2007-08-14 23:14       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-15  6:49       ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-15  6:49         ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-15  8:18         ` Heiko Carstens
2007-08-15 13:53           ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-15 14:35             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 14:52               ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-15 16:09                 ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-15 16:27                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 17:13                     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 18:31                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 18:57                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 19:54                         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 20:17                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 20:52                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 22:42                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 20:47                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16  0:36                             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16  0:32                               ` your mail Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  0:58                                 ` [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16  0:51                                   ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  1:18                                     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16  1:38                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 21:05                         ` [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 22:44                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  1:23                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16  2:22                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 19:58               ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-16  0:39           ` [PATCH] i386: Fix a couple busy loops in mach_wakecpu.h:wait_for_init_deassert() Satyam Sharma
2007-08-24 11:59             ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-08-24 12:07               ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-24 12:12               ` Kenn Humborg
2007-08-24 12:12                 ` Kenn Humborg
2007-08-24 14:25                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-08-24 17:34                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-24 13:30               ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-24 17:06                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-24 20:26                   ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-08-24 20:34                     ` Chris Snook
2007-08-24 16:19               ` Luck, Tony
2007-08-24 16:19                 ` Luck, Tony
2007-08-15 16:13         ` [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures Chris Snook
2007-08-15 23:40           ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-15 23:51             ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  1:30               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16  2:30                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16 19:33                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16  1:26             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16  2:23               ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-16 19:32                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17  2:19                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17  3:16                     ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-17  3:32                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17  3:50                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-17 23:59                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-18  0:09                             ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-18  1:08                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-18  1:24                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-18  1:41                                   ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-18  4:13                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-18 13:36                                       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-18 21:54                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-18 22:41                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-18 23:19                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-24 12:19                                       ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-08-24 17:19                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-18 21:56                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-20 13:31                                   ` Chris Snook
2007-08-20 22:04                                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-20 22:48                                       ` Russell King
2007-08-20 23:02                                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-21  0:05                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-21  7:08                                             ` Russell King
2007-08-21  7:05                                           ` Russell King
2007-08-21  9:33                                             ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-21 11:37                                               ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-21 14:48                                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-21 16:16                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-21 22:51                                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-22  0:50                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-22 21:38                                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-08-21 14:39                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17  3:42                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-17  5:18                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-17  5:56                         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17  7:26                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17  8:47                             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17  9:15                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17 10:12                                 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 12:14                                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17 13:05                                     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17  9:48                               ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-17 10:23                                 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 22:49                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17 23:51                             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 23:55                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17  6:42                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-08-17  8:52                         ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-17 10:08                           ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 22:29                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17 17:37                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-14 23:26     ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 10:35     ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-15 12:04       ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-15 12:31       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 13:08         ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-15 13:11           ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-15 13:47           ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 14:25             ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 15:33               ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-15 16:08                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 17:18                   ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 17:33                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 18:05                       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 18:19                 ` David Howells
2007-08-15 18:45                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 23:41                     ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-15 23:53                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  0:12                         ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  0:23                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  0:30                             ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  0:49                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  0:53                                 ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  1:14                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 17:55               ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 19:07                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-15 21:07                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 20:58                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 18:31         ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 19:40           ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 20:42             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16  1:23               ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-15 23:22         ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  0:26           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16  0:34             ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  0:40               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16  0:39             ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  0:42               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16  0:53                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  0:59                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16  1:14                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  1:41                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16  2:15                         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16  2:08                           ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  2:18                             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16  3:23                               ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  3:33                                 ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  3:48                                   ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  4:03                                     ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  4:34                                       ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  5:37                                         ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  6:00                                           ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16 18:50                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16 18:48                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16 19:44                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16  2:18                             ` Chris Friesen
2007-08-16  2:32                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  1:51                 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  2:00                   ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  2:05                     ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  2:11                       ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  2:35                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  3:15                         ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  3:43                           ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  2:15                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16  2:17                         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16  2:33                       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16  3:01                         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16  4:11                           ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  5:39                             ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  6:56                               ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16  7:09                                 ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  8:06                                   ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-16  8:10                                     ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16  9:54                                       ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-16 10:31                                         ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-16 10:42                                           ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16 16:34                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16 23:59                                               ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-17  1:01                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2007-08-17  7:39                                                   ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 14:31                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-17 18:31                                                       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 18:56                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-17  3:15                                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17  4:02                                                 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-17  4:39                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17  7:25                                                 ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-17  8:06                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17  8:58                                                     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17  9:15                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17 10:03                                                         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 11:50                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17 12:50                                                             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 12:56                                                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-18  2:15                                                                 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 10:48                                                     ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-17 10:58                                                       ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-18 14:35                                                     ` LDD3 pitfalls (was Re: [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures) Stefan Richter
2007-08-20 13:28                                                       ` Chris Snook
2007-08-17 22:14                                                 ` [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17  5:04                                             ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16 10:35                                         ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-16 19:48                                       ` Chris Snook
2007-08-17  0:02                                         ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-17  2:04                                           ` Chris Snook
2007-08-17  2:13                                             ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-17  2:31                                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17  5:09                                       ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-17  5:32                                         ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-17  5:41                                           ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-17  8:28                                             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16 14:48                                   ` Ilpo Järvinen
2007-08-16 16:19                                     ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-16 19:55                                     ` Chris Snook
2007-08-16 20:20                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-17  1:02                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-17  1:28                                           ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-17  5:07                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-17  2:16                                         ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-17  3:03                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-17  3:43                                             ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-17  3:53                                               ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-17  6:26                                                 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17  8:38                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17  9:14                                                     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17  9:31                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17 10:55                                                         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 12:39                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-17 13:36                                                             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 16:48                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-17 18:50                                                               ` Chris Friesen
2007-08-17 18:54                                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-17 19:49                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-17 19:49                                                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-17 20:12                                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-17 19:08                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-20 13:15                                                               ` Chris Snook
2007-08-20 13:32                                                                 ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-20 13:38                                                                   ` Chris Snook
2007-08-20 22:07                                                                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-21  5:46                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-21  7:04                                                                   ` David Miller
2007-08-21 13:50                                                                     ` Chris Snook
2007-08-21 14:59                                                                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-21 16:31                                                                       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-21 16:43                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-09 18:02                                                               ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-09-09 18:18                                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-09-10 10:56                                                                   ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-09-10 11:15                                                                     ` Herbert Xu
2007-09-10 12:22                                                                     ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-10 13:38                                                                       ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-09-10 14:16                                                                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-09-10 15:09                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-10 16:46                                                                             ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-09-10 19:59                                                                               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-10 18:59                                                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 23:19                                                                             ` [PATCH] Document non-semantics of atomic_read() and atomic_set() Chris Snook
2007-09-10 23:44                                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-09-11 19:35                                                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 14:51                                                                     ` [PATCH 0/24] make atomic_read() behave consistently across all architectures Arjan van de Ven
2007-09-10 14:38                                                                       ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-09-10 17:02                                                                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-17 11:08                                                     ` Stefan Richter
2007-08-17 22:09                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17 17:41                                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17 18:38                                           ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 23:17                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17 23:55                                               ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-18  0:04                                                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-18  1:56                                                   ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-18  2:15                                                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-18  3:33                                                       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-18  5:18                                                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-18 13:20                                                           ` Satyam Sharma
2007-09-10 18:59                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 20:54                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-09-10 21:36                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 21:50                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-09-11  2:27                                             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16 21:08                                       ` Luck, Tony
2007-08-16 21:08                                         ` Luck, Tony
2007-08-16 19:55                                     ` Chris Snook
2007-08-16 18:54                             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-16 20:07                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-16  3:05                         ` Paul Mackerras
2007-08-16 19:39                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16  2:07                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-24 12:50           ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-08-24 17:15             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-24 20:21               ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-08-16  3:37         ` Bill Fink
2007-08-16  5:20           ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16  5:57             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16  9:25               ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16 21:00               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-17  4:32                 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 22:38                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-18 14:42                     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-16 20:50             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-16 22:40               ` David Schwartz
2007-08-17  4:36                 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17  4:24               ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-17 22:34                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 19:59       ` Christoph Lameter

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